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« on: January 24, 2007, 12:21:15 PM »

I am linking to an article currently on CommonDreams that continues the ongoing American Fake Left ideological --I would use the term 'drift' but 'assault' is actually much more accurate.

This short essay by Jane Bright, mother of Evan Bright, killed in Iraq in July '03.  The ideological perspective of this angle epitomizes much, not all, of what is majorly wrong with what is popularly known as the American Left these days.  I have emboldened key passages for consideration.  The essay is short but concisely communicates some of the most popular ideological errors preventing any real change. 

Italicized parenthesis are mine.

When Will We Know That Enough Americans Have Died?
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What's the magic number for the American people? It wasn't 249. My son was the 249th American killed. He was killed in July 2003 when over 70% of the American people still supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Since Evan was killed 2,806 more American men and women have died in the "war on terror," according to the conservative estimates of the Department of Defense.
(the more than 700,000 deaths of those nothing we sometimes refer to as the Iraqi people--irrelevant!)

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When Evan was killed no one suspected the enormity of the loss we were going to experience.
(When Bright says 'we' she doesn't mean humanity, in classic nationalistic jingoistic appeal she means Americans only)
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The enormity of our loss remained within our family and grouping of friends. Everyone assumed that only a few hundred soldiers would die and that the loss of a few hundred soldiers was going to be just a drop in the bucket. My son's life was valued as that - a drop in the bucket.

(In the midst of her outright disregard for the elimination of almost a million Iraqis, she expects the reader to at this point feel sympathy for the loss of her son--in fact, one of many responsible for killing the Iraqis she disregards!!  Notice how blinding nationalism is.) 

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After all, what's a few hundred, or as of today's body count, a few thousand American lives when it comes to keeping America safe in the "war on terror?"

My question to the American people is this: when is enough, enough? At what point do we, the voters, taxpayers, consumers and owners of this immoral occupation bring a halt to the carnage?

Because of the deaths that occurred this weekend 27 American families will have one or two uniformed military personnel show up at their door. If the messengers have not already met with the families they will do so some time today. Mothers and wives will scream, "No, it can't be, it's a mistake" as they fall to the floor or bend over double in pain, excruciating pain.

And then you have the 140,000 or so other families who still don't know if their son, daughter, husband, wife, father or mother are one of the 27, or if their family member has dodged death this time, only to face it again the tomorrow. The families of the living will feel relief that it was not their family member who died, only to then feel guilt because that means another family will suffer the loss and mind-numbing pain.
(Still, only referring to the worthy, the Americans)

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I wonder sometimes what galvanizing event will bring Americans out of the malls. When will the body count of dead Iraqis, dead Americans and wasted treasure supersede basketball and football scores and the latest Hummer?

(I find this question from Bright to be interesting because she was only brought out of the mall when her son died.  And even in his death, her perspective remains obscured by nationalism, hence her "Americans only' appeal to our humanity--purposeful oxymoron there)

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I wonder when the killing off of our next generation of leaders will be the topic around the water cooler, rather than which teams will play in the Super Bowl.
(after obligatory mention of the real victims, Iraqis, she's right back off into racist nationalism)

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Americans are not helpless, nor are we ignorant. We know we have been deceived over the reasons we invaded Iraq and we know there is no exit strategy to extricate us from this morass. I ask myself and I ask America, what number is the right number of Americans who have to die, whose son or daughter will be the final drop in the bucket, before Americans say "Enough, Enough."

And when one remembers that in USSpeak, American has long been a synonym for white, the complete impotence of the Left crystallizes.  The racism, nationalism and imperialistic jingoism exist both on the Right and in the Center (popularly known as the Left) and until those of us concerned with justice, not only peace, with humanity, not only Americans, decide to oppose both the Center and the Right, and split off from this dehumanizing politics, we will only see more of the same.  More racist and nationalistic essays like this one.

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2007, 12:41:56 PM »

Good shit, this is exactly why I never include the deaths of U.S. soldiers in my critique of the war. This racist, nationalist value of life is evident in every sphere of U.S. capitalism, right or left. Even many "socialists", "communists", and "anarchists" fall into this trap. Shedding tears for the 3,000 murderers who were killed in self-defense as they completely ignore the murder of almost a million Iraqi civilians who were invaded and occupied. You basically wrote down my thoughts whenever I read an article like this. I can see the subtle reasoning and "values" behind almost every news piece and article that I read.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2007, 12:48:38 PM »

Amen.  I'm sick of this crap.  And this is the mindset of most of what is popularly known as the American Left.  It's in everything they write!
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 01:32:40 PM »

Amen.  I'm sick of this crap.  And this is the mindset of most of what is popularly known as the American Left.  It's in everything they write!

You know, I am taking care of some shit so I can get down to RMX's protest down in south Florida. I am thinking about this, because most of those people that will be there are "support the troops" people. I don't want to be associated with them because our reasons for being against the war are different than mine. Although I am smart enough to realize their impact and that they can help end this conflict whatever their motives.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2007, 01:40:47 PM »

Totally agree atlien, i was thinking of going around putting up flyer's that list Iraqi causalities number because the news always fails to mention it.
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 01:47:27 PM »

did any 1 of u know bush admitted of loosing the war n stuf
n ders no progress any ways sum 1 told me dis
am just wonderrin if ders proof he said it
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 01:57:47 PM »

I don't think he ever defined victory.
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 03:52:16 PM »

Another interesting point you bring up, JC.

These people on the Left, these STT people.  Do they really help our cause?  I ask that honestly because I feel that if we are to be responsible and smart about our resistance, we have to think not only about the million Iraqis already killed, but the Venezuelans or Iranians or Somalians that they will kill next.  And of course ourselves but we will be the last ones they(the ruling class) take out (en masse, I mean).  And if we are to be responsible and smart, if we are to think not only about those who have died and are dying in this attack but also the coming wars, we HAVE GOT TO TEAR AWAY AT THIS NATIONALISM.

Undermining this war while simultaneously building on the nationalistic framework for the next war is a betrayal of future generations (as if we haven't betrayed them enough already with our lifestyles alone).
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2007, 03:21:13 AM »

Another interesting point you bring up, JC.

These people on the Left, these STT people.  Do they really help our cause?  I ask that honestly because I feel that if we are to be responsible and smart about our resistance, we have to think not only about the million Iraqis already killed, but the Venezuelans or Iranians or Somalians that they will kill next.  And of course ourselves but we will be the last ones they(the ruling class) take out (en masse, I mean).  And if we are to be responsible and smart, if we are to think not only about those who have died and are dying in this attack but also the coming wars, we HAVE GOT TO TEAR AWAY AT THIS NATIONALISM.

Undermining this war while simultaneously building on the nationalistic framework for the next war is a betrayal of future generations (as if we haven't betrayed them enough already with our lifestyles alone).

Thanks Atlien. In lieu of your post I would like to add that its just blatant racism that makes the STT camp not value the lives of others as much as "our" own. That has to change but it all goes back to the spin machine.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2007, 06:14:03 AM »

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You know, I am taking care of some shit so I can get down to RMX's protest down in south Florida

Can or can't?

For the record, this is not my protest, I did not set it up.  I post info about since it is in my area.  However, I will still attend because not everyone there has the same set of reasons for attending, i.e., self preserving, racist reasons in particular.  Its a good place to network with various groups, such as socialist youth groups, etc.    Plus you get to voice your opinion and cops cant or wont do shit about it. 

Plus, (this isnt a personal attack on anyone, just a question to all) what action are we ever going to take besides filtering with a fine tooth comb exactly how to fight the power?   When the perfect opportunity comes along, I will have already been primed for it ( I hope).

Add:  ATL, I think it is good that you are able to dissect people's motives and mind set when they write.  People (we) need to be made aware of the pitfalls and unjust agendas of many but for me, action (in most instances) outweighs talk anyday.  Holla back.  And keep up the P.E.A.C.E. (Please Educate Allah's Children Everyday) 

Add:  I just found this thread else on this site:  http://immortal-technique.com/forum/index.php/topic,1165.msg12488.html#msg12488

The Bolivian Youth are one example of the groups that usually attend these protests.  They are young, eager, and seemingly sincere about struggle and are willing to put it on the line, whether right or wrong. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2007, 07:11:38 AM »

So the question of whether or not the tactics of some of the 'Left' do more harm than good is a serious one.  I've entertained the thought of distancing myself from them and denouncing their ideology altogether.  Some of my friends say that would leave us much too isolated.  It's debatable, I guess.

I'm beginning to think that the reason the anti-war movement and other sectors of the progressive movement remain so lily white and so few non-whites get involved is precisely because of this nationalistic racist streak running through these movements.  Now I'm not saying that it's a direct correlation type thing but I think that the overall direction would be dramatically different if the composition and philosophy of these movements didn't include this racist nationalism.  So different that I think the movements have already turned in drastically different directions.  Directions appealing to the masses of poor white and non-white people as well as some middle-class folks sympathetic to Leftist ideas.

This is why I am becoming increasingly antagonistic with white (so-called) progressives.  We need change badly and we need it sooner (as in now) rather than later.  I think more is possible but Cindy Sheehan with her racist nationalism (they would prefer to call it pragmatism) needs to get out of the way.  And since we all know that isn't going to happen, she and others like her are NOT going to get out of the way, we must move them.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2007, 07:27:15 AM »

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we must move them.

We must use some political jui jitsu and use what they leave open or vulnerable to our advantage.   Maybe those people who you feel take away from the struggle need lessons and examples from intelligent, articulate persons such as you but whats your maximum effective range if you are not there to present it? 

We gotta make it happen, one way or another but certainly it wont happen just thru talk, and it wont happen if they never know about it.   What do you say?
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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2007, 07:53:08 AM »

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it wont happen if they never know about it.   What do you say?
I say, they already know about it.  To be precise, I would say that the lion's share of them know but there deeply held (they would call it benign) racism prevents them from
1) Giving up the reins of power
2) Following non-white leadership

This might sound harsh and weird to some of you who aren't deeply involved with street protesting and thus the white progressives.  But I've been on the streets with them since this war broke out and before (in other struggles).  There is a contingent of these folks that get their day to day strength from these type actions.  It's like a kind of penance they need to remit for being white, for being privileged.  That, of course is my interpretation.  Obviously.  But being born in GA and having existed in the midst of these kinds of whites for most of my life, I know about this.

Again to be precise, there are some who don't know and might benefit from hearing it firsthand.  I say that to be honest and precise.  Because I can't predict the future I have to say they might benefit from hearing it.  I don't think they will benefit because I've been there and done that.  These white folks don't listen to black folks.  Again, the racism is a problem in them hearing the message.   And two, the message just sounds too weird.  This is because these folks don't hang out with non-whites with radically different political messages so they NEVER hear the kinds of stuff talked about on this forum.  So when they do hear it, it just sounds weird.  Oh, that and the racism. (j/k, I know I said that already...but I gotta laugh somewhere)

This is what I see hear in Atlanta and I don't imagine it's too different in other US cities.

This article from Al-Jazeera says much of it better than I can.

America’s Narcissists indifferent to Iraqi casualties

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We need to put an end to the lie that we invaded Iraq with good intentions.
I agree with the sentiment but disagree with that kind of personal identification with ruling class misadventures because it's incorrect for one and plus I think it paralyzes some with this weird guilt.  I didn't invade Iraq and couldn't have prevented it.  They did this.  Other than that kind of thing, a good read.  Repost it places if you like it.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 09:35:44 AM »

By the way Atlien, it took me a few days to fully see your point of view on the "America isn't ready" comment  but now that I do I would like to thank you for showing it to me in another perspective.
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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2007, 09:47:36 AM »

I'm just glad we were able to discourse without breaking our keyboards or monitors.  Whew!

Seriously, the discourse is important and it helps sustain me.  How else can we begin to break down the artificial barriers put in place by the ruling class?
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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2007, 11:33:08 AM »

Most of the insitutional racism goes unoticed and that is why these barriers are not being knocked down. Their are two ways that I think will get rid of this: education and integration. Now, I can't comment on the intentions of the media and ruling class, but most of the middle class wants to end racism and will change if you show what they are doing wrong. Another thing is the segregation between minorities and whites. Besides when I was around five, I have never had a good non-white friend until a few months ago and I would consider myself having a lot of non-white friends compared to most of my peers. The bottom line is that white people have no perspective of the other side so they do not understand it.
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2007, 12:40:06 PM »

I wish that were true.  But whites do have perspective.  Be honest now.  Whites over 50 grew up watching on television black people being chewed by police German Shepherds, hosed down by the cops, shot at by the National Guard, mothers beaten by 200 pound cops with clubs.

They saw that stuff.  They know what the deal is with America.

On the front end, the present, white folks know they don't have any black friends and close, close associates.  They know that they get hooked up with jobs, investment opportunities, houses, cars all kinds of stuff not by some public posting system but through their friends.

I only say this because the notion that white folks don't know and need to be educated leads back to this task for non-whites to 'put in work' educating whites.  I've been down that road and want to warn other non-whites not to waste a lot of time doing that.  Just like folks know we have an energy problem but won't stop buying big cars that consume lots of gas, won't change their lifestyles.  This is similar.  If whites as a group are to change, it will have to come because of other whites working with them on their shit.  It won't come from the ruling class' media.  They created the problem. 

It won't come from non-whites.  Because of the nature of white supremacy whites won't listen to non-whites.

It has to come from other whites. In the 60s there was an opportunity.  But the white progressives and leftists of the 60s wouldn't get serious, bring their own kids up in the same traditions and work on other whites.  Instead they put away their picket signs, stopped going to meetings and spent the next 20 years holed up in a cubicle at UPS or IBM.  They betrayed their children and everybody else.  Now its up to the next generation of whites to try and fix the problem with white people.  The very nature of the problem prevents other people from doing it.
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2007, 12:58:35 PM »

I grew up in a white suburban school and they pounded that "racism is over" and all of that bullshit. It isn't that people don't notice everything that you mentioned, just that they don't make the connection. It is just like a little kid and Santa Clause. Every bit of logic tells them that Santa doesn't exist but they believe in him anyways because their parents tell them that he exists. Most of them don't figure it out and have to be told, this works in the same way. Even though we notice all the racism we believe there isn't any becuase that is what we have been taught our whole life.

I agree with you that whites will have to end this. The problem is that many of them have a good intentions but are blind to it. I admit I don't do everything that I can but I try to point out racism when I see it and shoot it down but obviously I don't see even close to everything.

The first thing, and hardest, to solve the problem is addressing it, then it should get easier from there.
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2007, 04:02:18 PM »

Are people familiar with the Race Traitor website.  It's not very active nowadays but I hope it doesn't go away.  Some essays worth reading there.

The White Anti-Racist Is An Oxymoron by Tamara Nopper
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white people need to be willing to have their very social position, their very relationship of domination, their very authority, their very being...let go, perhaps even destroyed. I know this might sound scary, but that is really not my concern. I am not interested in making white people, even those so-called good-hearted anti-racist whites, comfortable about their position in struggles that shape my life in ways that it will never shape theirs
Homegirl doesn't play around.

Until It Hurts

There's other material as well.

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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2007, 05:33:10 PM »

I grew up in a white suburban school and they pounded that "racism is over" and all of that bullshit

Kanye West said in a song once that I put emphasis on; "Racism still alive they just be concealing it"


What he's saying is, while many caucasians are smiling in our(Those of an opposite race) faces and trying to be our best friend those same ones will stab you in the back. For example, lets say you're an African-American or Hispanic and you're working for a company with majority Caucasian seeing as that's how it is in most scenarios. You're a hard worker and they often compliment you for your good efforts. Then one of your co-workers is the opposite(work ethic, caucasian). Okay now lets say a higher position on this job came available and it was between you and that co-worker. While those same ones that smile in your face and compliment you, they'll be the same ones to favor this other co-worker. Why? Because there's a good chance you're already working harder than them everyday and putting you in a position higher than them gives them the fear that you'll want them to work up to your level of excellence. That and because he's one of their own. So the way I see it, they're pounding onto their own people at School but many not all. But many of these same caucasian students return home after School and are taught the same but anti-racist to an extent that I just explained. These same faculty and staff at this School are doing the same with their own kids, teaching them to be anti-racist to an extent.

I want to quote something from an article I read on racetraitor in relation to what you said.
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While I agree with that. The struggles to shape our race begins with those amongst our race.
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The History and Growth of Rap Music

If you are a music enthusiast, then it is very likely that you have come across a genre of music called rap music. Rap music is area that has very clear distinguishing features most notably the rapid and rhythmic chanting of the lyrics perfectly timed to the beat and musical accompaniment that forms the base of the song. Rap music traces its roots to the development of the hiphop subculture which predominantly carries four complementary musical styles namely: rapping, dancing and in particular break dancing, scratching or more popularity known as DJing, and graffiti writing which others dub as vandalism. Another sub-element of this genre is beat-boxing which also features heavily in the repertoire of many rap artists. If you thought this was an easy musical genre to characterize, then you were poorly informed: consider, many research papers and doctoral dissertations have been written on the subject of rap music and its accompanying stylistic elements.

The history of rap music, or hip-hop music, is composed of a series of rapid development phases that have all culminated in the popular rap versions of today. Before rap music took off in the 1990s, it was predominantly referred to as disco rap in the late 1970s. The three rappers who had a hand in coining the term “rap music” were DJ Hollywood, Lovebug Starski, and Keith Cowboy, the last one being officially credited with the term hip-hop. Rap music original began with improvisations and freestyle singing to add an element of unpredictability to the songs in parties and other gatherings. Even in the 1960s to 1970s, the initial elements of rap music where already sown in urban subcultures particularly in New York City where adhoc performances in the streets led to a coalescing of influences in the wake of the Civil Rights era. Like the iPhone 5 release date, it had a slow and steady rise building into an explosion of creativity and style that has made it into what it has become today.

At this very early stage of rap development, it was particularly tied to emcee-ing more than it was associated to any specific song. It predominantly tied songs together as an adlib in between. It was born out of the creative inputs of DJs who had to work with self-imposed musical constraints such as the 4/4 time beat and sampling or sequencing sections of other songs to create a smooth flow of uninterrupted musical stimuli. These were eventually married with electronic equipment such as drums and synthesizers, and ultimate melodies to give it that bite and identity. In a sense, rap music artists were basically like a video game designer who had to figure out each artistic component at every turn until it developed into a more coherent musical genre that became the rap music we know today.

The first recorded version of rap music came alive in the early 1980s when DJs decided to make records out of their freestyle MCing. This necessitated the documentation of song lyrics so they do not change during each and every rendition. The age of the stromanbieter for rap music was gone paving the way for more organized chaos. Still, the freestyle and improvisation element remained a part of many DJ interludes as the song goes through certain sections that did not require too much rap singing.

Likewise, as a consequence of the hip-hop records, the influence of rap began to spread faster than ever before. Artists no longer had to travel far to get their music heard. Now, records from New York City and Philadelphia can be reproduced and transported to cities like Los Angeles, New Orleans, Dallas, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Seattle among others for people to appreciate and enjoy. This was primarily the reason for rap music’s rapid growth. Like Christmas mini lights, cities formed the nodes through which rap music would spread to other parts of the country. From small beginnings to grand achievements, the birth certificate translation to true stardom took a matter of years for rap music to be realized. Since then, its take-off and rise has been meteoric.

In this regard, it is almost impossible to talk about rap music but not discuss the golden age of rap. This was the era from the late 1980s to the mid 1990s when rap grew at an astounding rate fueled by the creative contributions of many artists from all over the continental United States and in many parts of the world. The primary trait of the Golden Age or Rap was that it was an almost unbroken wave of transformative music with every single pushing the boundaries of the genre. From this age and in the succeeding Gansta Rap age came names like Run-D.M.C., Dr. Dre, Ice T, MC Hammer, The Wu-tang Clan, Snoop Dogg, and The Notorious B.I.G. among others. The list of names can virtually fill a Sharepoint Hive without any problems.

According to social studies published in 2005, teenagers and children are more familiar with hip-hop and rap music more than any other musical genre. Up to 65% of all children from ages 8 to 18 hear hip-hop music on a daily basis, making it their routinary keratin hair treatment session, almost to the point that it has become an intrinsic part of their lives. With the diversification of the genre to include the more stylish R&B or rhythm and blues, it is not difficult to explain how rap music has continued to pervade radio station, TV and movie song line-ups. The marriage of rap and jazz which paved the way for R&B is itself a phenomenon that warrants all sorts of social analysis.

And with its very strong following, it is safe to say that rap music is here to stay. Years from now, when you open your TV on a bright Saturday morning, there’s a big chance you would be watching the next stage in the evolution of rap music, and there’s an even better chance you would be dancing or singing to that tune.

Immortal Technique Rapper Biography

Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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