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« on: October 26, 2006, 09:50:10 PM »

Well here's my question; are we ready to abandon capitalism? As long as money exists there will always be rich and poor, wealth will always dictate status and people will always be in competition with and find reason to hate and fear each other.

I don't know if we'll ever get to anarchy, and by anarchy I don't mean chaos. Anarchy as I understand it is a form of government which does not infringe on any individual's liberties. Anarchy is the point of maturity a society could hypothetically reach when government loses the ability to control, because there is no longer need for control. I suppose then everybody is government, since there is nobody above or below anyone else.

I'm not saying I'm an anarchist, I really haven't studied every form of government, so I can't say I'd rule all others out. I'm sure there are possible forms of government nobody's even thought of yet, and maybe they'd be ok too, but with the research I've done so far the government seems to equal control.

The idea behind the original concepts of communism was that it was a stepping stone to anarchy. The end result would be the dismemberment of government due to a reduction in social antagonism. That's the shit that Marx and Lenin wrote about. The dictatorial stage which produced Stalin and Mao Tse Tung was only supposed to be the the first step in a progressive reduction of government.

Anyways, to someone who wants to start a revolution, I would pose the question; what form of government would you institute if it was up to you? Replacing one corruptable capitalist system with another won't work any better than the endless replacement of medeival kings most European countries went through. Corruption will always sink back in to those in power.

If we were to institute a new capitalist government I would change it drastically. I'd eliminate the rights of the corporation altogether and revamp and reinforce all the rights of the individual. It's big money that does the most evil, and as far as I'm concerned all the thousands of stockholders in a major corporation have their individual rights, the corporation itself is an institution, it's not a living being. It does not qualify for rights or consideration of any kind when brushing against the rights of any individual person, no matter that person's status.

If my fellow revolutionaries decided to move away to capitalism and left the other choices up to me, I don't know if I would institute anarchy right away, I might think about trying to figure out a stepping stone approach like Marx suggested. But then again, I wonder if the existence of any government does more harm than good. I wonder if any control just breeds human vs. human antagonism and moves us farther and farther from the maturity point our society is required to reach in order to be successful as an anarchistic society. What does everybody think, because I fucking hate our government, but I really have no idea how I would replace it. It's an issue I've got to figure out.
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2006, 10:12:09 PM »

i dont kno if anarchy is the answer even though the idea of it is very desirable. I think the we need a centralized institution to protect the people from each other and perserve thier rights. I would like to see a socialist form of government created.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2006, 03:02:16 PM »

Discombobula,

I think you make some great points. I am not sure if I agree with your assesment of money though. Prouhdon had some interesting ideas about capitol, bartering and anarchism. He created a seperate bartering economy in France in the late 1800's. The reason he created this money was because it is hard to barter when your services are not needed by the person whos services you need so in order to make trades between multiple parties possible he created a form of money or credit.

I do think money and power in the American capacity do corrupt absolutly. I think that if personal financial gain wwas removed from government new leaders who are compassionate and selfless would emerge. People would still be doctors, leaders and scientists with passion for doing good as their motivation.

I think I identify with Bakunins Anarcho Syndeclism. It gives all power to the people by allowing consensus building organizations to emerge where people have a common motivation ie. safer work place, better benefits and pay. I use for example trade unions.

I know from personal experience that if people discuss these issues with those who are close to them it helps. I think these subjects as well as atheism or any counter cultural movement need to be approached with care in this setting. The reason is people are passionate about politics, economics and religion and it hurts them to tell them they are wrong and that their education was seriously flawed. I do this because I want to convince people through compassion that we are all in this together and that heirarchy destroys some and benefits others.

I know appealing to peoples compassion and calling them out on their prejudices helps make people think about what they are saying and doing. For example, I am working nights at a college changing out A/C units. The security guard approached myself and some co-workers to to tell us about a homeless man he knowcked down because the homeless man was napping and the security guard tried to throw the mans bike away. Of course the homeless man protested when he woke up and a scuffle ensued. In responce to this I told everyone about a group in a neighboring city called food not bombs that goes to restaraunts when they close and takes the leftovers that would normaly be discarded. Then this group distributes the food to the homeless. I also pointed out that most working people are only a few paychecks away from financial ruin and that anyone could be homeless. He didnt respond and maybe he didnt change his thinking but now ehe knows that some people think this type of activity is innapropriate.

I am also one of the few who does not own a TV, I think this is an iportant step in breaking the chains and becommig an independant thinker.

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Anarchy is the answer. You should read about it, maybe check out the audio anarchy site, they have great introductory material. Also Emma Goldman, PJ Prouhdon and Bakunin I have a list of many others too if you are interested.


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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2006, 04:01:06 PM »

I suggest you read Herbert Marcuse "one dimesional man" He argues that we are in the west (the north) are controled through fear ie war, terrorism etc, this allows us to not self actualise in the real sense of being. In developing countries ( the south) control is through day to day survival people are unable to self actualise due to not having enough food water etc.
He also argues that a capitalist or communisist sytsem will never allow true freedom for the people due to the nature of the heiracries in place.
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2006, 05:18:29 PM »

JC, awesome post man. I've been homeless a few times so I know just how it is. I'm glad that you were able to bring yourself to make your point in front of your coworkers and whatnot. I'm sure at least 50% of them felt the same way but for some reason or another people think it's a better idea to keep their good ideas to themselves when confronted with a person who will definitely disagree with them. I think you've got a good strategy though in appealing to compassion as opposed to attacking someone for doing something you disagree with. Some people would say that there are people who don't have any compassion, but I think that's not true. I think everyone has compassion, some just see it as weakness and are too insecure about being attacked to publicly display theirs.

I'll definitely do some reading and research into Bakunin. I really haven't done as much homework as I should have on anarchy, but I definitely plan on doing more, because the more I learn about it the more I seem to identify with it.

As for money, the idea of money, or assigning value to some object which has no practical value has been around for many thousands of years. The ancient Romans and ancient Greeks both used money, and they weren't even close to the first ones. The Phonecians really developed trade throughout the mediterranean region, but I think currency in some form was around before them.

I really think that if money were the answer to peace it would have taken us there by now. I would say that money perverts an instinctual hunter gatherer need and as long as money is around there will always be a hierarchy of the wealthy vs. the not so wealthy. Like your example about the homeless guy. If he were wealthy the security guard may very well be in jail now for assault and destruction of property or larceny or some such thing. Instead the police will ignore the man because he has no status. He has no money and so in the eyes of the police he has no value. Not to say that there can no longer be occupations, like doctors and scientists, but I think that when money is around it becomes the main focus of some people way too often, when in order to be an effective doctor the main focus should really be the well being of the patient.

Just look at our healthcare system today. Healthcare is by far the most profitable industry in the world, and yet the last disease we cured was polio in 1952. People go to and pay doctors huge sums of money every day with the expectation of eliminating their health problems, and more often than not the doctor cannot offer a cure, he offers a treatment. The patient's underlying problem is often not resolved, yet the doctor still collects the bill.

But the doctors basically have to operate this way, because the main focus of their university was to make money, not to create doctors. It costs a shitload of money to go to medschool and the would be doctors usually have to ake out student loans to pay for their schooling.

Then in order to start their practice they have the overhead of the use of their location, whether bought or rented, and they have to pay for all their medical equipment and whatever staff they are going to start off with. Most doctors are pretty well in debt by the time they start their practice somewhere, and that being said they are under tremendous pressure to make as much money as they can as quickly as possible.

My point is that a person's place on the scale of wealth has a tremendous impact on the person's priorities. Without money there is almost nowhere a person can legally sleep or eat or even find shelter. Even those people who live in the suburbs; I don't know much about other states, but I know in Connecticut it is illegal to camp out on state property. All state property is closed at Sunset. I was actually given a $75 ticket and thrown out once for camping on state property overnight. A person may be the most ethical upstanding person you've ever met, but the only practical choices for many of us are to make enough money to participate in the system, or die. And while it's a noble thought few people are willing to die to avoid bending their values.

Of course all this is only my opinion, and I don't want it to seem like what I'm saying I consider to be the final word, but I just don't see how money could have a place in a society if the goal is to elimante status and hierarchy. I do admire your knowledge on anarchy, and your decision not to own a television. I really do admire that. I still have a TV, but I suppose I don't know why. You're definitely right about the TV destroying people's ability to think for themselves. Anyways, I look forward to your response to all this cuz I think this is a really valuable discussion that should definitely be continued so that all points can be considered by all parties.
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2006, 01:57:20 AM »

Discombobula,

I appreciate your positive words about dealing with certain issues with compassion. I think (as corny as this sounds) understanding that we are all in this mess together will get us alot further. I also think there is a place for more aggressive or more outspoken tactics.

Im still hung up on the money thing though. I will tell you why. I have a very good close circle of friends. We trade, barter share and trust one another. We have no need for money in our circle. There are three families and we trust each other the most. Then there are other people we let take part in our activities but we are more cautious with them because everyone has to prove their willingness to be a part of a group that understands when you barter you don't always come out on top. We also expect people we let in to understand that if they loan something it may get broken and the person they loaned it to may not be able to replace it right away. This works very well on a small scale. But when we are talking a whole nation it gets very hard to comprehend how people will be compensated. No hard feelings, thats the name of the game, as long as you are not being taken advantage of.

I would also like to make a point about leadership. Its necessary to get a job done. I am a carpenter and I know that on a big project everyone cant have a complete understanding it, this is where a coordinator, foreman, super or leader comes in. The thing is to remember that this leader is only focused on planning and they know the order that things need to take place while others are working. This "leader" has no athority except the athourity the workers give him/her. The workers must have an understanding that they need to follow instructions to have a project completed efficiently. Because without order there would be gross inneficiences. The leader must also understand that there are others that can do their job and not to overstep.

I work off a few absolutes when thinking about this topic.
- Capitalism is a pyramid scheme.
- There is not equal opportunity for success.
- The rich are rich because the poor allow it.
- The economy exists only in our minds.
- Corporations are inherently distructive.
- The commons* are the peoples not the states.

There are more but I don't want to clutter this discussion. I also think its important and there needs to be more participation.

You are dead on about medical. I would also add the cost of advertising. I may not be exactly correct in my numbers but here goes. Drug manufacturers get most of their R&D money from goverment grants, the tax payers. Then they create advertisments of which they spend most of their money. So we, the ill pay for the R&D twice and we pay for the advertising. Canada does not allow direct consumer marketing for prescription drugs. Thats part of the reason the cost is lower to the north.

*Commons- natural resource, property, airwaves and culture are a few examples of commons.

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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2006, 06:30:47 AM »

I am a bit pushed for time will reply in more detail tonight but everything is related to class and power don'tfall into the capitalist trap linking everything to money and cash.
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2006, 09:11:37 AM »

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I agree, and dont think that I am linking everything back to money but if you bother to make a statement like that than please back it up with some useful information.

Please tell me how it will work with no currency. Tell me how I "the carpenter" am supposed to get food when the person growing veggies does not need carpentry work done.

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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2006, 01:23:04 PM »


Anarchy and anarchism mean "system and management without ruler(s), i.e. co-operation without repression, tyranny and slavery".

http://www.anarchy.no/index.html
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2006, 01:55:29 PM »

Sorry for not getting back sooner at least I know if anybody is really cares what is said. The statement about cash and money is not a flippant remark just because as a society we cannot think of a replacement doesn’t mean we should not enquire.

If we believe Darwin’s theory of evolution we all emerged from the water with the mud skipper millions of years ago. The first mud skipper could not even comprehend the fact that they were going to evolve into such as advanced being such as the human race. So I ask the question how can we know what we will evolve into and during that process what social structures we will use.

In relation to the statement about power and class, it has always been about class conflict, the means of production and those producing the goods.  Two classes Bourgeoisie (own production) and Proletariat (sell labour).

The ideas of the western left was born in the old industrial era. The task was to make every factory a fortress where the army of the proletariat under the general command of a revolutionary party would strike at the heart of capital. Yet factory after factory has been shut down, with the armies dispersed into unemployment or new jobs. Its hard to seize the fort from the inside when the fort no longer exists.

The only difference is now their has been since the rise of the new technology (computers etc) there has been a dislocation between the two. Company’s are able to switch production to the South (developing nations) with no unions to protect the workers and exploit them even more.

     “The medium of technology, culture, politics, and the economy merge into an omnipresent system which swallows up or repulses all alternatives”. Marcuse


For these companies the idea of a democratic nation state would just be another check of their ability to make a profit. It is easier to buy off the ruling class who then become accomplices. This is nothing new from a black person’s perspective as it was not the white slave traders that went into inland Africa to kidnap the population they brought off other Africans to do this. Not much has changed in 400 years only that the masters house has got a little bigger they still be some house niggers running around.     



Moving on a new class of people have emerged but Marxs links are still relevant they are still the Bourgeoisie.
 
A transnational capitalist class (TCC) has emerged as that segment of the world Bourgeoisie that represents transnational capital, the owners of the leading worldwide means of production as embodied in the transnational corporations and private financial institutions. The spread of TNCs, the sharp increase in foreign direct investment, the proliferation of mergers and acquisitions across national borders, the rise of a global financial system, and the increased interlocking of positions within the global corporate structure, are some empirical indicators of the transnational integration of capitalists.

The TCC became politicised from the 1970s into the 1990s and has pursued a class project of capitalist globalisation institutionalised in an emergent trans- national state apparatus and in a “Third Way” political program.


It is not clear in the new epoch how the contradictions of global capitalism will be played out, in particular, those of over accumulation and worldwide social polarisation. But these contradictions and the tensions they generate within the globalist bloc certainly open up new opportunities for emancipatory projects from global labour. An expanding trans- national proletariat is the alter ego of the TCC. Struggle between the two will shape the further class development of the new global ruling class and the dynamics of emerging global society.

To challenge the capitalist system we must believe and think like they do, globally and expose them for what they are the Bourgeoisie.

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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2006, 01:57:47 PM »

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I agree, and dont think that I am linking everything back to money but if you bother to make a statement like that than please back it up with some useful information.

Please tell me how it will work with no currency. Tell me how I "the carpenter" am supposed to get food when the person growing veggies does not need carpentry work done.

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Part of the capitalist nightmare is that we have all been sorted into categories of experitise. The carpenter forgets that the farmer's seeds are not magical. The carpenter can grow his own vegetables, the farmer can construct his own table. Monkey see monkey do, learn from me I'll learn from you. Humans dominated this planet with their ability to be social and learn from one another, not because Bob the caveman did all the cavepaintings while Bill the caveman did all the hunting.

The ultimate rule is survival, and a single person is capable of so much more than we can even see through the barred windows of our current prison. Expertise is a restriction. It allows the average person an easy excuse for overall ignorance while allowing those in power a quick easy path to debunking and discrediting anyone who chooses to see more and point it out.
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2006, 02:19:47 PM »

I don't disagree but I do think the argument is limited when you speak of expertise. It is class, If you explore history you will find that the same people have maintained they power for the  the last 300 years possibliy more. At least since the industrial revolution. We are talking about the Rockefeller empire (not Jay Z), the Duke of Westminster etc. They let new people join the club as guests but they will never be full members they just supply new means of capital to finance their project for example the Kuwait and Saudi royal families funded the 1st gulf War.
Lets be clear while we are talking about war, war is just an extension of your countries foreign policy, if the foreign policy is imperialistic and about the accumulation of wealth for a few individuals/companies war is inevitable if people say no.

Back on to the significance of new technologies, if the hand mill gives you a society with a feudal lord and the steam mill gives you a society with the industrial capitalist  the micro chip gives you a society with the global capitalist , the universal capitalist and a universal factory.

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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2006, 02:32:57 PM »

Sorry about this but I just reread what you said about seeds, what happens when a transnational corporation like Monsanto owns the patent on genetically modified seeds and the ruling class of a developing nations through trade agreements laid down by the IMF and structural adjustment programmes say to local farmers these are only seeds you are able to grow or risk prison or worse starvation.
This is what is happening in the South, the collective farms that were around for generations have been disbanded and the people now have to grow produce such as coffee and tobacco for export and get paid very little for it. The ruling classes of these nations are complicit in the exploitation and starvation of their people.

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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2006, 04:55:27 PM »

The limitations of expertise make the truth very easy to obscure. We are all so heavily in one area to do one thing during the vast majority of waking hours. They sell the lie that the most prosperous people are the ones who devote the most time to being "educated" in their particular expertise. Doctors, lawyers, lobbyists, corporate officials all think that the way to self betterment is through an earnest commitment to their livelyhood. They go through a lot of schooling to get to where they are, and are generally subscribers to what has now become the mantra of the education system in this country; knowledge is power. But these most educated people do not rule the world.

The most talented criminals rule the world. The people who think outside the box. The people at the top are the people that understand how to play the players and how to pull the strings. Guys like Canadian Calvin Ayre who set up an internet gambling site in Costa Rica which is illegal where in Canada. Or Roustam Tariko who's built a $2 billion fortune debt-addicting the Russian middle-class. The super rich understand that if you have a really good marketing plan you can enslave others.

On a side note, did you know that President Bush's brother, Neil Bush, is head of a company that makes textbooks for schools? The company is called "Ignite! Learning." And the books are being bought by school districts all over the US, and the company is now going international. Knowledge is power, but education and knowledge are two separate things.
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2006, 06:11:49 PM »

The guys you are talking about are the nevo rich the internet billionaires, the ones that appear on times rich list. These are paper billionaires someone has to write their credit note. There are a number of families that for generations have held the real string of power through out the world. That have manipulated the world for their own ends.

Firstly the introduction of oil into the economy in the 1800s  with no market then they financed Henry Fords model t plant.

If I was to run for office lets say in a small country such as Germany in the 1920s  on nazi platform how much finance would I need to achieve this, in the space of ten years from being a low level army solider to chancellor of a country is that possible without help. Explore the context global depression sometime needs to kick start the economy again, rich people are becoming poor.

I hope you don’t believe the civil war in America was all about the end of slavery it was a war about continuing a feudal system (south)or a industrial economy(north).
Black people got both ways because after the war slavery was abolished but not for prisons (as it is today) number of black people in US prison went up and is actually written in the continuation as the thirteenth amendment
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment  for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the united states or any place subject to their jurisdiction”  The character of punishment changed into away of managing former slaves”

I hope i am not getting too  conspiratorial for you, but sometimes i think their are too many coincidences.

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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2006, 06:43:46 PM »

Man, there is no such thing as too conspiritorial. In my opinion we can't just dismiss things like that by saying they are too conspiritorial. The prison system is all sorts of fucked up in this country.

Did you know that inmates are more likely to have a college degree than the guards? Many employees of what Connecticut calls its "Department of Corrections" don't even have a high school diploma. You know it costs less than $1 a day to feed an inmate at most prisons in this country? Once convicted of a felony in this country a person loses all his civil rights, even once he's released. You can't vote, you have no right to bear arms, and your blacklisted as a felon so most employers will avoid hiring you over someone who has not been convicted of a crime. That's an infringement on the pursuit of happiness since everything in this country costs money, from food to shelter to water.
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2006, 07:21:57 PM »

onetime,

I agree, and dont think that I am linking everything back to money but if you bother to make a statement like that than please back it up with some useful information.

Please tell me how it will work with no currency. Tell me how I "the carpenter" am supposed to get food when the person growing veggies does not need carpentry work done.

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Part of the capitalist nightmare is that we have all been sorted into categories of experitise. The carpenter forgets that the farmer's seeds are not magical. The carpenter can grow his own vegetables, the farmer can construct his own table. Monkey see monkey do, learn from me I'll learn from you. Humans dominated this planet with their ability to be social and learn from one another, not because Bob the caveman did all the cavepaintings while Bill the caveman did all the hunting.

The ultimate rule is survival, and a single person is capable of so much more than we can even see through the barred windows of our current prison. Expertise is a restriction. It allows the average person an easy excuse for overall ignorance while allowing those in power a quick easy path to debunking and discrediting anyone who chooses to see more and point it out.


Discombobula,

I do not disagree with this statment in the least. I may have used a bad example. How bout this. How am I the carpenter supposed to get Dr. Smith to make glasses for me? How do I get a computer? Would I rather live in a world of horse drawn carrieges and self suffience? The answer is yes. I just think this world is so specialized that we would not be able to keep the same standard of living if we did not have some representation for labor and goods. I also know that the majority would never go for it. "Give up my lazy boy, SUV and fast food?"

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Comparing the evolution of primitive life forms to our complex thought process seems odd to me. Of course most things that are going to change are not calculated but if you or I want to convince others that ours is the right way we should have a plan. So to say we should conceive one before is not too much to ask. So again I ask whats your plan?
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2006, 08:05:12 PM »

I think capitalism has led to an overobsession with property rights. Why would we each need our own computer or even our own table? People are communal beings, this competitive materialist mentality makes it very easy to control us. People are progressively becoming more and more separatist and isolated.

But the concept of ownership is an illusion, think about it. Proof of ownership of something as important as a house or a car for example is nothing more than a fancy looking title or deed and registration at a public office. If you take away not just the title or the deed, but the ability for anyone to have a title or deed; what would happen?

I think maybe without money this materialistic ideal could begin to disappear. We don't need the illusion to survive, I don't even think we need the illusion to continue a progressive development of society. I think society overall would become healthier if we weened ourselves off of this notion of ownership. How can we own anything without depriving others? Think of how much waste we create every day as a result of our ideas of ownership. Think of how much damage we do to the environment and each other and everyone around us. Does every single person need a car?
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2006, 08:40:05 PM »

Maybe I am not making my positions clear. I am as much of an anarchist as I can be and as I know how to be. I would, as I stated before like to live in this world that all peace loving anarchists invision. My questions and my arguments are about methods not about ends. I want to know how to make it happen. I dont want to just read books and dream about a better more fare world. I want to help create it and I want to live in it. So again I ask about how one would go about convincing anyone that these methods this John Lennon vision created in Imagine would be better for everyone. I am trying to find answers to these practical problems that exist in my head. I am trying to make most of the pieces fit so I am better at being free and helping others.

Analogy time.
I want to build kayaks. I dont know how to so I am going to teach myself. I can see this perfect kayak in my head but I dont yet know how to get there. I cant just imagine it into existence so I need a plan to make it happen. Do you follow?

This is just an observation, I did not use the word own in my previous post.

This is a quote from a previous post I made.

" I have a very good close circle of friends. We trade, barter share and trust one another. We have no need for money in our circle. There are three families and we trust each other the most. Then there are other people we let take part in our activities but we are more cautious with them because everyone has to prove their willingness to be a part of a group that understands when you barter you don't always come out on top. We also expect people we let in to understand that if they loan something it may get broken and the person they loaned it to may not be able to replace it right away. This works very well on a small scale. But when we are talking a whole nation it gets very hard to comprehend how people will be compensated. No hard feelings, thats the name of the game, as long as you are not being taken advantage of."

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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2006, 10:28:23 PM »

JC -

I'm totally with you, I don't want to just read books and dream about a better world either. I want to change the world, right away, as soon as possible. I don't know how we should change things, just that I think we should. I'm just trying to pitch different approaches to generate some discussion on maybe some stuff I didn't think of before.

I actually did some reading today in Eric Schlosser's book Reefer Madness that lends credence to the idea that a true free market would eventually work out all the kinks of our society's problems. In other words, if you don't put any restrictions on trade and allow what is now considered to be "the black market" to come out into the open, there would immediately be a huge decrease in crime, simply because there would be less laws that one could be punished for breaking.

About the kayak building in a currency-less society; You could read a book on kayak-building and build it yourself, you could borrow a kayak from someone else who had one, or perhaps if the concept of posession was completely whiped out, you could simply go to where the kayaks are and use one. Any kayak built in a posessionless society would be a kayak built for the use of the entire community.

Now I'm perfectly well aware that's a pretty fairy-talish scenario, but I think that the world could run smoothly if that was already the norm. This is basically how Native Americans lived on this continent for thousands of years before the genocide that took place in the last four centuries. When white people first got here they traded Manhattan Island for a box of beads and some other low-quality shit. The Native Americans had no concept of land ownership, so they thought they were making out big time. They went out and hunted shit and brought it back and their whole tribe would eat it with them. Imagine some random guy from your city sitting down at your table and eating your food, you'd be so mad you'd be beside yourself. But the Native Americans weren't. How we get ourselves from here to where they were,  I have no idea.  But I have questions about how we would transition into anarchy as well.

The question I think I posed a few days ago in one of the earlier posts on this thread was how we could make a smooth transition into anarchy? Without a doubt, this society would slip into anarchy with mass hysteria and violence simply from the fear that would follow the loss of all the public institutions that people have taken comfort in for years. All I'm saying is that at the moment our government is money. We are ruled by money. George Bush and Dick Cheney are faces of money. My question is simply this; Can we knock down our government and still keep money?

I really don't know the answer to this. I've heard a lot that money isn't evil, it's the love of money above the love of your fellow man that is evil. I acknowledge too that even the Native Americans I mentioned earlier had some form of trade, they took the beads in trade for Manhattan Island after all. I don't know what made them so much less dependent on trade than we are, but I think maybe if we could use money without becoming addicted to it I could see us building a new capitalist society that differs from the one that is collapsing around us.
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Mobile-friendly version Immortal Technique Biography

Born Felipe Andres Coronel on the 19th of February 1978, hip-hop artist Immortal Technique is a controversial figure in the U.S. His songs speak of the need for social justice and equality among all races, with special emphasis on the people of color or Latin Americans, but they also cover topics such as the fight against unfair imprisonments or militarism and many others.

His biography is hence quite intriguing, to say the least, and, just like the best anti aging cream is probably going to be lingering over the shelves of all cosmetic stores for many years to come, Immortal Technique’s songs are going to remain hot, fresh and sought after for a really long time. Due to the fact they speak about topics which are to be considered taboos, his lyrics continue to be listened to with the exterior shutters down in most homes.

Immortal technique was born in Peru, in El Hospital Militar de Lima; several years later, his family moved to America in order to escape the harsh living conditions in Peru. Even though they could not afford to buy any terrain a vendre there, they managed to move to Harlem in the ‘80s. Immortal Technique went to Hunter High School, but just like a hip replacement recall is never of good omen, his grades and behavior weren’t any good during high school either. He was the school bully, he harassed other students and he was not afraid to get involved in scandals with drug dealers from around the area. And while his interactions with these drug dealers were not as numerous as used cars in Phoenix are, they still managed to leave an ugly mark on his biography.

Plus, his graffiti did not actually resemble any Dreamweaver templates, but he was famous for his controversial acts of vandalism. His violence against others almost got him expelled in 1996, but he somehow managed to finish high school and even attend college at Pennsylvania State University. This time, his college experience only lasted for two years; he was then charged and convicted and he was eventually imprisoned in Pennsylvania.

In prison, just like a SEO San Antonio company would focus on booting a web site’s ranking, Immortal Technique also focused on boosting his own social ranking. He began studying the policy of religious history, and, finding the inspiration he needed, he began putting his thoughts in lyrics. In 1999 he was paroled and, even though he was first considered some sort of Agen Bola, as no one had heard of him at first, he began to attend freestyle battles he started winning.

From there on, his career started to bloom, as he gave birth to albums such as “Revolutionary Vol 1” in 2002, “Revolutionary Vol 2” in 2004 and “Revolutionary Vol 3” in 2008. He also became a political activist and started to sing about political injustice (check out his opinion on the imprisonment of Mumia Abu-Jamal or the songs on George W. Bush). Despite of the fact that his albums might not have gotten the type of positive reviews African mango reviews are usually comprised of, this has not stopped him from getting involved in future projects, including an important film collaboration. He might not approve the work of the CNA Financial Corporation, but we all need to eat, right?




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Immortal Technique Rapper Biography

Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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