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« on: October 15, 2007, 06:11:18 PM »

laugh if you will, but I've been thinking about stuff lately and I would like your input on a few things.


1. Humanity is a virus, a cancer, comepletely unnatural to this world.   Yes/No/Inbetween.  Why?

2. Nothing matters.   True/False/Inbetween.  Why?

3. The Purpose of Life is.... (in your opinion)

4. The Purpose of human beings...(in your opinion)

5. The reason we are here...(in your opinion)
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2007, 06:12:42 PM »

The matrix already explained it Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2007, 06:26:59 PM »

1. Humanity is a virus, a cancer, comepletely unnatural to this world.   Yes/No/Inbetween.  Why?
Not sure, humans have been very destructive in the past few thousand years to our environment but it is not necessarily human nature to be destructive if you look farther back. I have thought about this a lot and I don't have an answer of whether human civilization happened because the right pieces fell into place or it was an inevitable process. I can think of evidence that supports it being inevitable since agriculture didn't just randomly happen but a process that was built on for thousands of years. Even if that is true, I wouldn't consider humans a cancer, just a very destructive species that has adapted well to our environment. We are very similar to foreign species that get moved and take over their new environment if you want a similarity.

Here is a book that explains in great detail what I mean by inevitable:

http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Fates-Societies/dp/0393317552

Here is a book that says it was chance:

http://www.amazon.com/Ishmael-Daniel-Quinn/dp/0553078755/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-4176493-7185739?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192494306&sr=1-1

Quinn gets major influence from Diamond but I have much more trust with Diamond. Quinn has some great ideas but I think he lies and deceives too much to prove a point.

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2. Nothing matters.   True/False/Inbetween.  Why?
On a universal level, no, nothing matters. On a personal matter, yes, many things matter.

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3. The Purpose of Life is.... (in your opinion)
I believe there is no universal purpose of life but you can give yourself purpose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism

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4. The Purpose of human beings...(in your opinion)
We have no more "purpose" than an ant or a lizard.

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5. The reason we are here...(in your opinion)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2007, 06:52:45 PM »

laugh if you will, but I've been thinking about stuff lately and I would like your input on a few things.


1. Humanity is a virus, a cancer, comepletely unnatural to this world.   Yes/No/Inbetween.  Why?

1. This is a completely elitist theory that blames the massive environmental destruction of capitalism on the people in general rather than corporations or wealthy nations that contribute the vast majority to environmental destruction and consumerism. The upper-income 20% of the world's population that reside in advanced capitalist nations account for 86% of total private consumption expenditures while the lowest-income 20% of the world's populations accounts for a meager 1.3%. Do the 3-4 billion people, a clear majority of humanity, who lack access to proper nutrition, sanitation, healthcare, education, etc. really contribute to the onslaught of Amazonian rainforests and widespread holes in the ozone layer. Humanity is not a parasite on this planet but the capitalist class is. The highly disproportionate global consumption levels and contribution of corporations to pollution and environmental destruction makes this an easily disproved theory. It is widespread amongst Malthusian bougoriese ideologists who tend to blame the working class for many of capitalism's miserable destructive qualities.

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2. Nothing matters.   True/False/Inbetween.  Why?

2. There is no absolute, what matters to somebody may not matter to somebody else. It is completely subjective. However, there are a multitude of problems that affect people on a widescale basis and are not considered important to people who should be most focused on them. But as pierce said, on a universal scale the vast problems of the earth mean nothing but we are in the here and now so still have to focus on matters that clearly affect us.

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3. The Purpose of Life is.... (in your opinion)

3. In biology are purpose is to carry on the existance of our species. On a social and individual level, we create our own purpose in life so it is also completely subjective.

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4. The Purpose of human beings...(in your opinion)

4. Read above...

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There is no moral or philosophical reason why man is here. I agree with piercehawkeye on this as well, evolution has brought our species into existance.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2007, 07:39:58 PM »

I have some disagreements and thing to add with Wiseman on the first question, all others I'm with him.

I wouldn't say it is the capitalist class that causes all the problems but the capitalist system and other similar to it. If the capitalist class were to disappear but the capitalist system would remain, more than likely a new group would replace it. If we get rid of the capitalist system and replace it with a smarter system environmentally, we could make big changes.

Then, if we look at history, we have seen many societies that have ruined their environment and I wouldn't know if I really would consider all of them capitalistic, even though the mindset is very similar. But the mindset that destroys environments, which includes capitalism, would be ones that aren't environmentally regulated and ones where production is more important than conservation of the resources around them. This can happen by conscious ignorance, what we are doing today, or accidental ignorance, Easter Island, but the consequences are usually the same.

It also depends on what we would consider destructive. You could consider it anywhere from depleting the natural resources to a point where the land becomes a near desert to just the killing off of native species so humans could plant what they want. The first is something that humans can control if we want but the latter is inevitable if we don't want to be hunter-gatherers (this is assuming agriculture is inevitable).
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2007, 08:32:22 PM »

I have some disagreements and thing to add with Wiseman on the first question, all others I'm with him.

I wouldn't say it is the capitalist class that causes all the problems but the capitalist system and other similar to it. If the capitalist class were to disappear but the capitalist system would remain, more than likely a new group would replace it. If we get rid of the capitalist system and replace it with a smarter system environmentally, we could make big changes.

Are you speaking of a state coordinating capitalism like in the Soviet Union then I agree. I was just relating it to our present system but I'd consider a party bureaucracy to be a potential capitalist class, not really too fundamentally different from our current. The reason I said capitalist class is because they make up a disproportionate amount of consumption and work to weaken environmental regulations even further through neoliberalism. I would say the capitalist class is the parasite and capitalism is the parasitical system; just as a tick sucks blood compared to the blood sucking process. The party bureaucracy on the other hand at least strengthens environmental protection with a good example of the Communist party in Cuba. The destructive aspects of capitalism remain nonetheless and regulations only serve to externalize the costs of corporate profit to the public.

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Then, if we look at history, we have seen many societies that have ruined their environment and I wouldn't know if I really would consider all of them capitalistic, even though the mindset is very similar. But the mindset that destroys environments, which includes capitalism, would be ones that aren't environmentally regulated and ones where production is more important than conservation of the resources around them. This can happen by conscious ignorance, what we are doing today, or accidental ignorance, Easter Island, but the consequences are usually the same.

Capitalism is primarily a mode of production, not merely a mind set or the market system of exchange (which neoliberals consider the definition of capitalism). Just thought I would mention that. Feudalism and the various modes of production in the past have really had little environmental impact on a global scale though. The initiation of capitalism is really when the environment began to be seriously plundered throughout every corner of the earth. So while various pre-capitalist societies may have destroyed their environments it was not systematically done or an inherent part of any pre-capitalist systems. Lets not forget the fact that the brunt of pollution and environmental degredation is faced by working class areas in capitalist imperial nations and peasant/working class areas of neocolonies. But if you stand with your point of the ideology of profit motive having a necessary function in the environmental destruction by capitalism then you would also have to agree that the capitalist class has a majority contribution since they control production and accumulate the surplus of labor (profit).

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It also depends on what we would consider destructive. You could consider it anywhere from depleting the natural resources to a point where the land becomes a near desert to just the killing off of native species so humans could plant what they want. The first is something that humans can control if we want but the latter is inevitable if we don't want to be hunter-gatherers (this is assuming agriculture is inevitable).

Some environmental destruction is necessary for agricultural development and industrialization as well, I have no problem with this. The widescale destruction of the environment that has been occuring since the 19th century is ultimately the fault of capitalism though. Industrial society under communism (all forms of libertarian socialism) would prevent this; not because we consider trees, animals, or air as equivalent to our subjective view of humanity, but because the destruction of these entities provides considerable harm to ourselves. I say a little bit of inevitable environmental "destruction" is fine but would be stopped at the necessary point to which humanity as a whole benefits or weakens. Thus only what we need, not for expanionist and anti-social and environmental market forces or corporate profit.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2007, 09:49:00 PM »

I guess I should've elaborated.  
I mean, humans are the only animals that cut down trees to create agriculture, plant seeds on mass scale, harvest food; extract natural resources to use (like ore to metal to buildings).  Everything we do fucks something up.  I haven’t seen any solution to our parasitic methods.  And I don't mean capitalistic societies, I mean ALL societies, all cultures, all people.  We fuck shit up so much, whether we are capitalist, socialist, christain, buddhist, simple, complex, big, small, short, tall.  But, this is the only way we can survive.  For example, we wear clothes because we don't have sufficient hair to warm our bodies.  If we didn't exploit earth we would die. Whatever...I’m just really confused.

Do you really consider these acts destructive though? They do not really harm the environment to the point where it couldn't recuperate. The earth can handle a little bit of destruction (it can definitely handle the destruction necessary to meet basic human needs). When the profit motive enters and the environment begins to be destroyed for the purpose of how much one can possibly attain is when it begins to become actually harmful. Clearing a forest or two for the purpose of creating a city or housing developments is not really destructive for an entire ecosystem. It is also necessary if we want to move beyond a hunter-gatherer society as pierce mentioned. Destroying the Amazon for the purpose of timber and rubber profits, massive one-crop farms that destroy the land based off of profit and not sustainable living, etc., is very different. Then the environment is destroyed for the sake of its destruction and the expansionist profit motive guarentees that it will not stop regardless of its harmful impacts.

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So you would say our purpose is to recreate?

Biologically yes, if you actually consider that an "intended purpose". Otherwise we create our own purpose, its totally subjective. There is no absolute purpose of life as religion claims.

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Well, I’m not going to deny that evolution brought us here, but do you think that's it?

Is there any other reason we are here besides being another species along the chain of evolution? I can't see or prove one so I am just going with what I subjectivally know until somebody proves another reason. This doesn't mean we should say "fuck life and humanity, neither matters!". It is what you make it to be and that is all that actually matters.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2007, 10:58:45 PM »

All I'm saying is that we don't know how to exist in an equilibrium with our environment.  All other animals naturally develop a harmony with their environment, we don't.  For us to survive, we must fuck something up, and whether that be in capitalistic societies to tribalist societies, we still fuck shit up.  Take the Native Tribes of the Midwest of North America for example, where they slaughtered thousands of buffalo, not the respecting mother earth propaganda we always here.

I mean is there any way for us to live in harmony with this planet, somewhat similar to other animals?

You may be referring to some sort of primitivism, it is an actual ideology based on man returning to hunter-gatherer societies or even more reactionary. What is actually needed though is a change in the ideological look at nature. Our concept of domination over nature eminates from the hiearchal concept of domination of man over man. We can live in harmony with the environment and extract its resources, use its fertile soil, etc. but if you want to consider any utilization of nature to be "fucking it up" than you are not thinking of a sustainable society for mankind. As you said it is necessary for our survival so it is a natural result of our evolution that we will have to intelligently extract from the environment what is needed; not just be subject to "nature's provision" and have to look for food. If you hold on to that line about "survival" then what you are advocating is the death of the human species. You are not critically looking at what is actually causing massive global environmental destruction either; thus you are not thinking towards a solution for this but a solution for any utilization of nature at all. Basic human necessities can be provided without any widescale disastorous effect to the environment; you have yet to show how basic resource extraction and agricultural development are "morally wrong" and destroy ecosystems (thus creating a threat to our very survival which would create a catch-22 that might be considered, we don't live independent of the actual environment). Consumerism and the profit motive is what needs to be attacked, this is just a diversion from the actual issue.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2007, 11:07:01 PM »

thank you.  i needed that.

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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2007, 06:20:22 AM »

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Humanity is a virus, a cancer, comepletely unnatural to this world.

yes. we fuck up instead of adapting to fit our ecosystems, we poison and pollute for our own benefits.

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Nothing matters

 for me everything and nothing can and does matter.

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The Purpose of Life is....

when i was younger i had an epithome about the meaning of life. i was thinking about lying on my death bed and how one would prob look back over their life. thats when it came to me that if was dying and i looked back over my life and i could rememebr more happy times than sad times, i would say that i led a meaningfull life. that for me is the purpose of life, to enjoy it.

I have now adapted that theory to also include cosideration of others, I want to enjoy my life and have fun, be happy, but it is important that my happiness does not consequent in the harming others around me.

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The Purpose of human beings..
eat, sleep, fuck, shit and reproduce.

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2007, 07:40:40 AM »

yes. we fuck up instead of adapting to fit our ecosystems, we poison and pollute for our own benefits.

 for me everything and nothing can and does matter.

when i was younger i had an epithome about the meaning of life. i was thinking about lying on my death bed and how one would prob look back over their life. thats when it came to me that if was dying and i looked back over my life and i could rememebr more happy times than sad times, i would say that i led a meaningfull life. that for me is the purpose of life, to enjoy it.

I have now adapted that theory to also include cosideration of others, I want to enjoy my life and have fun, be happy, but it is important that my happiness does not consequent in the harming others around me.
eat, sleep, fuck, shit and reproduce.
to live

smoke and fly smoke and fly.

about your happy memories bit, usually when people look back into thigns they've done in the past, they tend to only remember the good times and block out the bad times. i've been prone to doing this, and when going back i realise i made a mistake.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2007, 07:43:38 AM »

when i was younger i had an epithome about the meaning of life. i was thinking about lying on my death bed and how one would prob look back over their life. thats when it came to me that if was dying and i looked back over my life and i could rememebr more happy times than sad times, i would say that i led a meaningfull life. that for me is the purpose of life, to enjoy it.
Word. In the end, it doesn't really matter if you win or lose as long as you can look back and say it was worth it.
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2007, 07:55:32 AM »

1st off... how could i forget smoke a spliff and fly, well suppose that just for me i guess.

Yo man if you made a mistake, wouldn't that mean it was not a good time, so to say. I dont think you can really make a statement like that untill your in a position like that. i mean, im constantly contemplating past life events, good and bad tho lately i tend to focus on the bad, ive even had my life flash before my life, but i dont think theres anyway i could know what my last thoughts on this earth will be. thats why i wanna fill my brain with so many happy moments, that when i do come to pass, all i can remember is the good times.

shit thing is right now if i were hit by a car, and lying in hospital waiting to go.... i would not be looking at a  happy reflection Cry. but im working on it baby im working on it.

and pierce, indeed all i want is to have a life worth living and remembering
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2007, 08:00:29 AM »

the thing is, what you've told me about your life, you've had a hard time living where you live(on the floor isnt it?) so when things tend to look up, even a slight bit, they will be very joyfull to u. also stop smoking so much, go to rehab u pot head
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2007, 08:05:02 AM »

man i wish my sleeping situation was my only problem. na i got some more personal issue to deal with, tho speaking of living conditions, i did just bust one of my new fkat mates stealing money from my room while at work.... but even then thats not the worse of my troubles.

an word, life is like an emotional sine wave



gotta take the ups with the downs, and hopefully the average will work out positive
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2007, 08:11:51 AM »

lewl, average on a sine wave is 0, what you're looking for is a cosine wave MATHS n00b!!!

but i know what you mean, and i hope you new roomate gets run over by a truck
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2007, 08:21:50 AM »

hahaha hate to tell you this but

sin x=cos(x-90)

and not all sin waves will have an average of 0.

hahaha i hope so to theivin bitch, but really i just want to find a better place to stay. i sick of living wit others and now that i've got some serious cash money behind, im gonna get a pimpin flat. washing machine, balcony, spare room for geusts, big screen tV and bath and a shower. i hoping to get one by dec, so i can have a stompin new year party.

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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2007, 08:28:02 AM »

dude u spend so much time saving up, and u gunna splash out like that???!!!!!

i mean WTF U NEED A WASHING MACHINE FOR!!??? and a shower? wtf this is getting crazier!!!!
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2007, 08:29:01 AM »

hahaha hate to tell you this but

sin x=cos(x-90)


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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2007, 08:43:16 AM »

Fuck Sat, I was actually writing a song for my band about how life is like a sine wave.....
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The History and Growth of Rap Music

If you are a music enthusiast, then it is very likely that you have come across a genre of music called rap music. Rap music is area that has very clear distinguishing features most notably the rapid and rhythmic chanting of the lyrics perfectly timed to the beat and musical accompaniment that forms the base of the song. Rap music traces its roots to the development of the hiphop subculture which predominantly carries four complementary musical styles namely: rapping, dancing and in particular break dancing, scratching or more popularity known as DJing, and graffiti writing which others dub as vandalism. Another sub-element of this genre is beat-boxing which also features heavily in the repertoire of many rap artists. If you thought this was an easy musical genre to characterize, then you were poorly informed: consider, many research papers and doctoral dissertations have been written on the subject of rap music and its accompanying stylistic elements.

The history of rap music, or hip-hop music, is composed of a series of rapid development phases that have all culminated in the popular rap versions of today. Before rap music took off in the 1990s, it was predominantly referred to as disco rap in the late 1970s. The three rappers who had a hand in coining the term “rap music” were DJ Hollywood, Lovebug Starski, and Keith Cowboy, the last one being officially credited with the term hip-hop. Rap music original began with improvisations and freestyle singing to add an element of unpredictability to the songs in parties and other gatherings. Even in the 1960s to 1970s, the initial elements of rap music where already sown in urban subcultures particularly in New York City where adhoc performances in the streets led to a coalescing of influences in the wake of the Civil Rights era. Like the iPhone 5 release date, it had a slow and steady rise building into an explosion of creativity and style that has made it into what it has become today.

At this very early stage of rap development, it was particularly tied to emcee-ing more than it was associated to any specific song. It predominantly tied songs together as an adlib in between. It was born out of the creative inputs of DJs who had to work with self-imposed musical constraints such as the 4/4 time beat and sampling or sequencing sections of other songs to create a smooth flow of uninterrupted musical stimuli. These were eventually married with electronic equipment such as drums and synthesizers, and ultimate melodies to give it that bite and identity. In a sense, rap music artists were basically like a video game designer who had to figure out each artistic component at every turn until it developed into a more coherent musical genre that became the rap music we know today.

The first recorded version of rap music came alive in the early 1980s when DJs decided to make records out of their freestyle MCing. This necessitated the documentation of song lyrics so they do not change during each and every rendition. The age of the stromanbieter for rap music was gone paving the way for more organized chaos. Still, the freestyle and improvisation element remained a part of many DJ interludes as the song goes through certain sections that did not require too much rap singing.

Likewise, as a consequence of the hip-hop records, the influence of rap began to spread faster than ever before. Artists no longer had to travel far to get their music heard. Now, records from New York City and Philadelphia can be reproduced and transported to cities like Los Angeles, New Orleans, Dallas, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Seattle among others for people to appreciate and enjoy. This was primarily the reason for rap music’s rapid growth. Like Christmas mini lights, cities formed the nodes through which rap music would spread to other parts of the country. From small beginnings to grand achievements, the birth certificate translation to true stardom took a matter of years for rap music to be realized. Since then, its take-off and rise has been meteoric.

In this regard, it is almost impossible to talk about rap music but not discuss the golden age of rap. This was the era from the late 1980s to the mid 1990s when rap grew at an astounding rate fueled by the creative contributions of many artists from all over the continental United States and in many parts of the world. The primary trait of the Golden Age or Rap was that it was an almost unbroken wave of transformative music with every single pushing the boundaries of the genre. From this age and in the succeeding Gansta Rap age came names like Run-D.M.C., Dr. Dre, Ice T, MC Hammer, The Wu-tang Clan, Snoop Dogg, and The Notorious B.I.G. among others. The list of names can virtually fill a Sharepoint Hive without any problems.

According to social studies published in 2005, teenagers and children are more familiar with hip-hop and rap music more than any other musical genre. Up to 65% of all children from ages 8 to 18 hear hip-hop music on a daily basis, making it their routinary keratin hair treatment session, almost to the point that it has become an intrinsic part of their lives. With the diversification of the genre to include the more stylish R&B or rhythm and blues, it is not difficult to explain how rap music has continued to pervade radio station, TV and movie song line-ups. The marriage of rap and jazz which paved the way for R&B is itself a phenomenon that warrants all sorts of social analysis.

And with its very strong following, it is safe to say that rap music is here to stay. Years from now, when you open your TV on a bright Saturday morning, there’s a big chance you would be watching the next stage in the evolution of rap music, and there’s an even better chance you would be dancing or singing to that tune.

Immortal Technique Rapper Biography

Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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