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« on: December 12, 2006, 10:37:42 AM »

I mean any sort of God. Any sort of higher power(s) out there? What do you think.

Personally I believe in a God. At first I was a christian and then i moved away from that to being an agnostic. Right now i believe there is a God, but i recognise that I may still be wrong. I mean, look at the world. Everything physical has a beginning and an end. We all do, we don't just come from nowhere. Everything around you must have once been nothing, and will one day be nothing. For this reason I believe there must be some sort of divine power. Something that isn't restricted by time like we are. Since everything needed a beginning, there needs to be something that didn't - to give all others a beginning. Thats why I believe in like an eternal power, a link between the spiritual world and the physical world.

I also believe in having a soul. I think we all do. Mind, body and spirit. Our body being the physical, our spirit being the spiritual and the mind being the battlefield between body and spirit while here on earth. Like when you say "I am in control of myself". I believe the "I" is the soul, and the "myself" refers to the body - the sentence itself then being the state of the mind, if that makes sense. "The eyes are the window to the soul". I very much believe in that. When you look into someones eyes you can see the real them, their soul. You can see past any guards they put up. And when you've found your soulmate, the feeling you get when you see into their soul is indescribable.

I realise i went off a bit ... lol ... but fuck it.

Whats your beliefs?
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2006, 10:52:52 AM »

The burden is on the believer to prove that there is a god or a soul.  When it comes down to it, those two things can only be accepted on faith as there is no firm physical/empirical evidence to support their existences.

I believe that everything is unique, as no two things are identical.  No two chemical processes (thoughts) are the same, not two physical structures are the same and every moment of time is singular and permanent.  However I also believe that nothing really exists.  For something to exist it must never change, it must be permanent.  What we perceive of as existence is really just a dynamic and fluid entity...nothing is static.  For something to be static it has to never change, on no level can it change...nothing has that property.  If it did, then it would be god.   
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2006, 10:57:06 AM »

Although everyone has the right to believe in whatever system they've been conditioned to pick.
I think it's quite audacious for anyone to claim to know what power(s) are responsible for anything on this world.
We can endlessly speculate, but there has been nothing to give us a concise answer as to what is responsible for life.
As far as answers go, the sciences, social and otherwise, do their best to establish the "truth", much better then thousand year old parables.

I believe we are in charge of our own destinies, and letting life slide by, and letting things happen under the pretense that it is God's will, seems like a hellacious fallacy.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2006, 11:53:48 AM »

If there is any kind of 'higher power' it sure isnt a god in my opinion.  if anything, it is what can be called a shared spirit or a metaphysical soul sort of what Buddhism teaches.  that i can sort of buy into.  you, me, everything is god. but what about the desk i write on? is that god too? why or why not?  bah.  I'm an atheist but jungian philosophy on the collective subconscious always intrigued me. 
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2006, 12:03:34 PM »

Personally, I see no evidence of a higher being, so I don't believe there is one, simple as that.

Pro-God debaters have to work very hard to justify even that something is evidence of a higher being, let alone real solid evidence or even proof.

This may sound like I haven't thought about the issue much, but I sure have, and this is my summary.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2006, 04:55:24 PM »

If there is any kind of 'higher power' it sure isnt a god in my opinion.  if anything, it is what can be called a shared spirit or a metaphysical soul sort of what Buddhism teaches.  that i can sort of buy into.  you, me, everything is god. but what about the desk i write on? is that god too? why or why not?  bah.  I'm an atheist but jungian philosophy on the collective subconscious always intrigued me. 

Please explain what form of Buddhism teaches there is a "higher power?" Please also explain where or what Buddhist teaching acknowledges a soul or spirit or as they call it attman.
The burden is on the believer to prove that there is a god or a soul.  When it comes down to it, those two things can only be accepted on faith as there is no firm physical/empirical evidence to support their existences.

I believe that everything is unique, as no two things are identical.  No two chemical processes (thoughts) are the same, not two physical structures are the same and every moment of time is singular and permanent.  However I also believe that nothing really exists.  For something to exist it must never change, it must be permanent.  What we perceive of as existence is really just a dynamic and fluid entity...nothing is static.  For something to be static it has to never change, on no level can it change...nothing has that property.  If it did, then it would be god.   

I have made that point about proof at every turn on this religion board. I wish people would just accept that if you make any outlandish claim that is outside the scope of normal experience than you have to prove it.

I will also throw out there for scrutiny that if god exists in the christian for that he is an Atheist because the christian god would not believe in a higher power as there is none higher than the christian god. So with that logic, still assuming the christian god is real I am as an Atheist more god like than a believer.
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2006, 07:05:14 PM »

No.
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2006, 07:11:11 PM »

I think if there was a god, we wouldn't know about it.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2006, 07:14:50 PM »

Why not?  Why wouldn't it just remove all doubt?  If there is a god it has a sick, perverted sense of humor and justice...I mean FUCKED UP!
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2006, 07:37:02 PM »

God's resume, very funny.  especially the 1939 bit.

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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2006, 07:39:15 PM »

I just think it's funny that people claim to know so much about something they've never seen or experienced. Everyone believes it so it must be true. If a god does exist, he/she/it is not doing a great job Tongue
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2006, 07:46:33 PM »

The burden is on the believer to prove that there is a god or a soul.  When it comes down to it, those two things can only be accepted on faith as there is no firm physical/empirical evidence to support their existences.

I believe that everything is unique, as no two things are identical.  No two chemical processes (thoughts) are the same, not two physical structures are the same and every moment of time is singular and permanent.  However I also believe that nothing really exists.  For something to exist it must never change, it must be permanent.  What we perceive of as existence is really just a dynamic and fluid entity...nothing is static.  For something to be static it has to never change, on no level can it change...nothing has that property.  If it did, then it would be god.   

The burden is on both i think. There is no proof for either. It takes as much faith to believe there is no God as it takes to believe ther is one - if not more. Believeing in a God, or a higher power, gives reason to everything unexplainable and everything that cannot be supported by science.

I agree with the second paragraph. Only difference being i believe in the existance of that static entity. Because i believe without it, this "non existance" we are living would not be happening, and it would be nothing.

If there is any kind of 'higher power' it sure isnt a god in my opinion.  if anything, it is what can be called a shared spirit or a metaphysical soul sort of what Buddhism teaches.  that i can sort of buy into.  you, me, everything is god. but what about the desk i write on? is that god too? why or why not?  bah.  I'm an atheist but jungian philosophy on the collective subconscious always intrigued me.  

I agree, to an extent. I dont like to say i believe in "God" because its automatically assosciated to religion.

Personally, I see no evidence of a higher being, so I don't believe there is one, simple as that.

Pro-God debaters have to work very hard to justify even that something is evidence of a higher being, let alone real solid evidence or even proof.

This may sound like I haven't thought about the issue much, but I sure have, and this is my summary.

For me, its the only reasonable explanation. Because it explains all the unexplainable. Everything that is irrational, everything that we cant explain, every phenomena, is explained.
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2006, 07:52:11 PM »

So do you apply that same standard to police officers?  Do they have the right to arrest you without proof because they feel it?  Are you obliged to PROVE that you are NOT doing something or do they have to prove that you ARE.  It is impossible to prove a negative because it is proving that there is NOTHING there...If you claim that there is something there it is up to YOU to show me that it's there, not for me to show you that it is not.

Also, do you beliveve in the big bang?  If you do, then there is little room for god.  I can recommend some great books on theoretical physicis (written for understandibility) that might change your opinion on god a little bit.  Physics has done a great deal to dispell a lot of the "unknown"...there is a great deal of unknown, but we do know that there was a big bang and that everything extends from it, including us.
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2006, 07:59:34 PM »

I just think it's funny that people claim to know so much about something they've never seen or experienced. Everyone believes it so it must be true. If a god does exist, he/she/it is not doing a great job Tongue

What job would that be?
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2006, 08:01:27 PM »

So do you apply that same standard to police officers?  Do they have the right to arrest you without proof because they feel it?  Are you obliged to PROVE that you are NOT doing something or do they have to prove that you ARE.  It is impossible to prove a negative because it is proving that there is NOTHING there...If you claim that there is something there it is up to YOU to show me that it's there, not for me to show you that it is not.

Also, do you beliveve in the big bang?  If you do, then there is little room for god.  I can recommend some great books on theoretical physicis (written for understandibility) that might change your opinion on god a little bit.  Physics has done a great deal to dispell a lot of the "unknown"...there is a great deal of unknown, but we do know that there was a big bang and that everything extends from it, including us.

But the question drops again, what was before the big bang. What started it. What created what was needed for it. You know? I guess we never will really know. I don't believe in a higher power like the bible states, that you have to pray too all the time, etc. I believe in Jesus, but not that he was some sort of immortal being. I believe he was a great philosopher. And i believe he got close to God physically, much like people feel they can through meditation.

i still believe the proof burden lies on both parts. Because neither is factual, and neither are accepted.
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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2006, 08:08:21 PM »

I just think it's funny that people claim to know so much about something they've never seen or experienced. Everyone believes it so it must be true. If a god does exist, he/she/it is not doing a great job Tongue

What job would that be?

Well most religions claim that god is all-knowing, all-loving, etc but how can that be true when you consider the state the world is currently in? If god has the power to do anything and everything, then why don't they use this to prevent terrible things happening to people who don't deserve it? Some argue the "it's a test" belief but I don't buy it. 
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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2006, 08:14:59 PM »

There are theories as to what there was. Again, if you want me to give you some of them I can, but I would rather just recommend whole books, as they do a much better job than I would with the complexities of the "what existed before question."  One theory is that the universe is a never ending cycles of contraction and expansion that has always been and will always be.  There are others that posit that our experience of four dimensions is just a slice of possibly infinite numbers of dimensions.  They have mathematically proven the existence of 10 dimensions.  9 space and 1 time.  There is another that says there are 11.  There are many things out there that we cannot see...the majority of the mass in the universe is called "dark energy" and "dark matter"...we mathematically know it is there but have yet to empirically find any of it. 

Certainly there was no time before the big bang, and without time we have no ability to ever conceive of what there was "before" the big bang...Time exists as a result of the big bang, as does the way that we experience it. 

You cannot say that the burden rests on both sides.  I cannot ever fully disprove something.  You cannot fully prove anything.  However, the burden is much greater on someone who says that something is there than the pwerson who says that it is not.  If I say there are leprechauns in the forest, are you going to accept it?  Are you going to say that it is YOUR responsibility as someone who does not believe in leprechauns to DISPROVE their existence, or is it the responsibility of the one who claims they exist to SHOW you?  Positive proof is the foundation for evidence.  Negative evidence is an almost impossibile standard, one that groups like 9/11 truth use ad nauseum...
 
We can talk in likliehoods, of probabilities...In my opinion there is a high probability that there is NO god...all of the physical, moral, and otherwise empirical evidence points in the other direction.  The concept of god has been dealt serious blows by evolution, the big bang, quantum mechanics and string theory...All of those combined do enough to disprove god for me, but not enough for me to say 100% that there is no god...There are no absolutes, that's how the univerese works...the laws that we see today may not be there tomorrow.  There are explanations as to why those "laws" are as stable as they are...however one thing is certain, everything moves to a higher state of entropy (chaos)...everything, even blackholes. 

A simple proposition, one in which I will prove with negative evidence:

Show me that there is NOT a heaven.
 
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Done. Argument over. I need not do anything to prove my position because it is NOT up to me to show ANYTHING.  I can show nothing by doing NOTHING.

     
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2006, 08:16:10 PM »

I just think it's funny that people claim to know so much about something they've never seen or experienced. Everyone believes it so it must be true. If a god does exist, he/she/it is not doing a great job Tongue

What job would that be?

Well most religions claim that god is all-knowing, all-loving, etc but how can that be true when you consider the state the world is currently in? If god has the power to do anything and everything, then why don't they use this to prevent terrible things happening to people who don't deserve it? Some argue the "it's a test" belief but I don't buy it.  

not my thoughts, but ill run them by you anyway ...

imagine a rabbit with its leg caught in a trap. and a farmer finds it, and decides to get the rabbit free it has to cut its leg off. all the rabbit sees is the suffering, and wonders why is the farmer cutting its foot. not knowing that the farmer isnt trying to make it suffer, but trying to help it.


if that makes sense
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2006, 08:16:15 PM »

I just think it's funny that people claim to know so much about something they've never seen or experienced. Everyone believes it so it must be true. If a god does exist, he/she/it is not doing a great job Tongue

What job would that be?

Well most religions claim that god is all-knowing, all-loving, etc but how can that be true when you consider the state the world is currently in? If god has the power to do anything and everything, then why don't they use this to prevent terrible things happening to people who don't deserve it? Some argue the "it's a test" belief but I don't buy it. 

What about those who are faithful to the very end and die a horrible tortured death AND THEN THERE'S NO GOD?  What would you say to them?  I guess nothing because they would be dead.
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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2006, 08:19:18 PM »

I just think it's funny that people claim to know so much about something they've never seen or experienced. Everyone believes it so it must be true. If a god does exist, he/she/it is not doing a great job Tongue


What job would that be?

Well most religions claim that god is all-knowing, all-loving, etc but how can that be true when you consider the state the world is currently in? If god has the power to do anything and everything, then why don't they use this to prevent terrible things happening to people who don't deserve it? Some argue the "it's a test" belief but I don't buy it.

I see what your saying but i guess if a God does exists it is in the spiritual and not the physical.
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If you are a music enthusiast, then it is very likely that you have come across a genre of music called rap music. Rap music is area that has very clear distinguishing features most notably the rapid and rhythmic chanting of the lyrics perfectly timed to the beat and musical accompaniment that forms the base of the song. Rap music traces its roots to the development of the hiphop subculture which predominantly carries four complementary musical styles namely: rapping, dancing and in particular break dancing, scratching or more popularity known as DJing, and graffiti writing which others dub as vandalism. Another sub-element of this genre is beat-boxing which also features heavily in the repertoire of many rap artists. If you thought this was an easy musical genre to characterize, then you were poorly informed: consider, many research papers and doctoral dissertations have been written on the subject of rap music and its accompanying stylistic elements.

The history of rap music, or hip-hop music, is composed of a series of rapid development phases that have all culminated in the popular rap versions of today. Before rap music took off in the 1990s, it was predominantly referred to as disco rap in the late 1970s. The three rappers who had a hand in coining the term “rap music” were DJ Hollywood, Lovebug Starski, and Keith Cowboy, the last one being officially credited with the term hip-hop. Rap music original began with improvisations and freestyle singing to add an element of unpredictability to the songs in parties and other gatherings. Even in the 1960s to 1970s, the initial elements of rap music where already sown in urban subcultures particularly in New York City where adhoc performances in the streets led to a coalescing of influences in the wake of the Civil Rights era. Like the iPhone 5 release date, it had a slow and steady rise building into an explosion of creativity and style that has made it into what it has become today.

At this very early stage of rap development, it was particularly tied to emcee-ing more than it was associated to any specific song. It predominantly tied songs together as an adlib in between. It was born out of the creative inputs of DJs who had to work with self-imposed musical constraints such as the 4/4 time beat and sampling or sequencing sections of other songs to create a smooth flow of uninterrupted musical stimuli. These were eventually married with electronic equipment such as drums and synthesizers, and ultimate melodies to give it that bite and identity. In a sense, rap music artists were basically like a video game designer who had to figure out each artistic component at every turn until it developed into a more coherent musical genre that became the rap music we know today.

The first recorded version of rap music came alive in the early 1980s when DJs decided to make records out of their freestyle MCing. This necessitated the documentation of song lyrics so they do not change during each and every rendition. The age of the stromanbieter for rap music was gone paving the way for more organized chaos. Still, the freestyle and improvisation element remained a part of many DJ interludes as the song goes through certain sections that did not require too much rap singing.

Likewise, as a consequence of the hip-hop records, the influence of rap began to spread faster than ever before. Artists no longer had to travel far to get their music heard. Now, records from New York City and Philadelphia can be reproduced and transported to cities like Los Angeles, New Orleans, Dallas, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Seattle among others for people to appreciate and enjoy. This was primarily the reason for rap music’s rapid growth. Like Christmas mini lights, cities formed the nodes through which rap music would spread to other parts of the country. From small beginnings to grand achievements, the birth certificate translation to true stardom took a matter of years for rap music to be realized. Since then, its take-off and rise has been meteoric.

In this regard, it is almost impossible to talk about rap music but not discuss the golden age of rap. This was the era from the late 1980s to the mid 1990s when rap grew at an astounding rate fueled by the creative contributions of many artists from all over the continental United States and in many parts of the world. The primary trait of the Golden Age or Rap was that it was an almost unbroken wave of transformative music with every single pushing the boundaries of the genre. From this age and in the succeeding Gansta Rap age came names like Run-D.M.C., Dr. Dre, Ice T, MC Hammer, The Wu-tang Clan, Snoop Dogg, and The Notorious B.I.G. among others. The list of names can virtually fill a Sharepoint Hive without any problems.

According to social studies published in 2005, teenagers and children are more familiar with hip-hop and rap music more than any other musical genre. Up to 65% of all children from ages 8 to 18 hear hip-hop music on a daily basis, making it their routinary keratin hair treatment session, almost to the point that it has become an intrinsic part of their lives. With the diversification of the genre to include the more stylish R&B or rhythm and blues, it is not difficult to explain how rap music has continued to pervade radio station, TV and movie song line-ups. The marriage of rap and jazz which paved the way for R&B is itself a phenomenon that warrants all sorts of social analysis.

And with its very strong following, it is safe to say that rap music is here to stay. Years from now, when you open your TV on a bright Saturday morning, there’s a big chance you would be watching the next stage in the evolution of rap music, and there’s an even better chance you would be dancing or singing to that tune.

Immortal Technique Rapper Biography

Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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