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« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2007, 10:06:26 PM »

Many have contributed but the roots and main influences come from Brandon Carter and Robert Dicke but they first started the idea it has been refined and further studied by many others, the principle simply says that if the constants were different than life would not exist this has been extended to that there may be some intelligent desighn of the universe because the odds of it happening this way were very low.

And NSKerben if the universe evolved differemtly there would probably be nothing because if there were no atoms the universe would just be a vacum and no life or matter at all would exist.
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« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2007, 10:16:37 PM »

Physicists have begun to believe that the universe may have been created to accomodate us. The anthropic principle says that if the universe evolved slightly different and universal constants such as the gravitational constant or the speed of light differed slightly from the values (like if the difference in mass from a proton and neutron was slightly smaller than it is then atoms would not exist) that they are that life and possible the universe may not exist
If you give an infinite amount of typewriters to an infinite amount of monkeys, one of them would type Shakespeare. If the universe goes in cycles then it is possible that we lived because of the laws of this universe, not that the universe was created to accommodate us. There may have been a billion other universes (parallel or cycled) before us and we would never know.
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« Reply #62 on: February 07, 2007, 10:20:34 PM »

And NSKerben if the universe evolved differemtly there would probably be nothing because if there were no atoms the universe would just be a vacum and no life or matter at all would exist.
But even then why would it even matter? I mean why does it matter now other than in our own sense of self importance? We are nothing to the overall universe. The unverse is nothing to the overall everything, it just doesn't matter.
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« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2007, 03:28:48 PM »

Physicists have begun to believe that the universe may have been created to accomodate us. The anthropic principle says that if the universe evolved slightly different and universal constants such as the gravitational constant or the speed of light differed slightly from the values (like if the difference in mass from a proton and neutron was slightly smaller than it is then atoms would not exist) that they are that life and possible the universe may not exist
If you give an infinite amount of typewriters to an infinite amount of monkeys, one of them would type Shakespeare. If the universe goes in cycles then it is possible that we lived because of the laws of this universe, not that the universe was created to accommodate us. There may have been a billion other universes (parallel or cycled) before us and we would never know.
First, the idea is not the rambling a a some mans dillusion, it is the idea put forth by by highly revered physicsists and has scientific reasoning behind it.
Second, the only way that the universe is cyclic is if, 1) The Big Bang Theory is correct and 2) If the universe is closed and will forever expand, and even this does not garuntee the existence of a universe before us it just means that the universe was created by the big bang and will eventually calapse
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« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2007, 05:02:28 PM »

Just because the likeliehood that life appearing is low does not point to intelligent design, nor open the door to it.  We are talking BILLIONS of years here.  That is a long time...

Here are some great books on this subject...esentially proves a framework for no god:

http://www.amazon.com/Elegant-Universe-Superstrings-Dimensions-Ultimate/dp/0375708111/sr=8-1/qid=1170975651/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7255843-1019000?ie=UTF8&s=books

This one has many theories as to why the universe is the way that it is (things like Higgs Fields etc.)

http://www.amazon.com/Fabric-Cosmos-Space-Texture-Reality/dp/0375727205/sr=1-1/qid=1170975710/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7255843-1019000?ie=UTF8&s=books
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« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2007, 05:07:34 PM »

Just because the likeliehood that life appearing is low does not point to intelligent design, nor open the door to it.  We are talking BILLIONS of years here.  That is a long time...
It is not just that because it happened this way life appeared it is also the only way that the universe itself could exist. I agree, this does not definatley mean that there was intlligent desighn but it does show some possibility.
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« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2007, 05:12:58 PM »

It is a possibility, but there is also an equal, if not greater possibility, of there being a multiverse of infinite universes.  String theory supports a multidimensional multiverse framework far stronger than anything that intelligent design puts up. 
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« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2007, 05:17:36 PM »

Yes but the string theory is very incomplete and most do not accept it, at least not yet
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« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2007, 05:28:26 PM »

Right now, intelligent design, a one cycled universe, or a multiverse are all equally probable because they are all just theories with no real backing. Yes, there are clues leading to each one but I don't see any definite proof of any particular one.
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« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2007, 10:56:21 PM »

http://www.physorg.com/news88786651.html

String Theory IS testable...ID is not.  Key distinction.

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« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2007, 07:00:29 PM »

You are correct that ID cannot be tested but even the testing for the string theory that they say in the article is very limited. first it only test someversions of the string theory, their are many versions that can't be tested. Second the according to the article the test will only prove that it is impossible but cannot test the validity, just the possibilty.
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« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2007, 07:12:43 PM »

I saw your earlier post about time and thought of this, time is an inconsitincy in our universe, it was once thought to be unchangeable and unaffected by anything, no matter what happened time would alway continue constantly but now we see that time can be warped at high speeds until the point were it stops. Thus showing no laws are definite so it may be a mistake of desighned universe.
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« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2007, 07:17:13 PM »

I think every law is variable except the speed of light. I can't back that up though...
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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2007, 11:55:22 PM »

I mean any sort of God. Any sort of higher power(s) out there? What do you think.

Personally I believe in a God. At first I was a christian and then i moved away from that to being an agnostic. Right now i believe there is a God, but i recognise that I may still be wrong. I mean, look at the world. Everything physical has a beginning and an end. We all do, we don't just come from nowhere. Everything around you must have once been nothing, and will one day be nothing. For this reason I believe there must be some sort of divine power. Something that isn't restricted by time like we are. Since everything needed a beginning, there needs to be something that didn't - to give all others a beginning. Thats why I believe in like an eternal power, a link between the spiritual world and the physical world.

I also believe in having a soul. I think we all do. Mind, body and spirit. Our body being the physical, our spirit being the spiritual and the mind being the battlefield between body and spirit while here on earth. Like when you say "I am in control of myself". I believe the "I" is the soul, and the "myself" refers to the body - the sentence itself then being the state of the mind, if that makes sense. "The eyes are the window to the soul". I very much believe in that. When you look into someones eyes you can see the real them, their soul. You can see past any guards they put up. And when you've found your soulmate, the feeling you get when you see into their soul is indescribable.

I realise i went off a bit ... lol ... but fuck it.

Whats your beliefs?


Thats cute, except the universe is infinie.
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« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2007, 11:59:44 PM »

Is the universe infinite for everything?
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« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2007, 09:02:07 AM »

The universe itself may not be infinite
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« Reply #76 on: February 20, 2007, 03:14:49 PM »

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Out of body experiences are one thing, but they are yet to be proven. I personally believe that people genuinely have them, especially near death experiences. A friend of our family was brain dead for a short time and remembers hovering above their own body and watching the operation, and recalled things that they couldnt have as they happened when they where brain dead. Your right though, it comes down to faith, but what doesnt?

I read a book saying something about ear lobes and something where if someone does something to it I forgot what they do but when the person does something to it and triggers something they feel nirvana and something like pure enjoyment and closeness to god. It sounds weird but read the book "Can we be good without god" then you'll know what I mean. So yeah the out of body stuff is proven
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« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2007, 03:36:29 PM »

Also point 1: Evolution and the Big Bang disprove God

Evolution and the Big Bang disprove THE BIBLE...God and the bible are two competely different things.

Point 2: They are two totally and utterly irredeamable things.  One is supernatural and one is wholly natural and mathematical.

Not true, I would quote Enstein but I forgot it but im pretty sure you know what im talking bout

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Ok...I don't.  I believe evil is when you violate an ethical principle that you agree upon at some level and disregard in order to inflict harm on another person.  That is evil.  It is not evil if I violate a principle that YOU think is important or holy.  It is a totally relative concept, one that we may try to universalize, but somehow always manage to come up short on.  The same can be said for what good is.  Again, a totally relative concept, which depends completely on where one happens to be born and the ethical value system that one has committed his/her self to.

Some moral ethics might be differnt from person to person but there are also universal morals that everyone can follow such as don't rape, don't abuse, don't cheat on your spouse etc...might be hard for some people but when is anything good ever easy? Thats why theres so much bad in this world because being an asshole is easier than helping out someone.

Also atheists and religious people have two different minds I think, the religious people I guess have more faith and atheists need stuff to back it up.

I think Religion is crap. Its garbage and people shouldn't rely on these to help themselves. Im not saying everyone who is religious is bad but 99% are. How can people call them selves Christians when they're so far away from being like Jesus. They do something bad, pray and repent. Should that be it? The church tells them yes as long as they repent, is that enough? Can a christian rape and repent and hes safe? Bullshit.

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Why not?  Why wouldn't it just remove all doubt?  If there is a god it has a sick, perverted sense of humor and justice...I mean FUCKED UP!

I don't think god intends to make himself look like a dick...I guess its the way people see it. Ever do something nice for a guy and he just looks at you in disgust? Well same could be said for god.

Ever watch that Futarama episode where Bender is in space and becomes god of his little world on his body? And then he meets like this thing that is god? It was a good episode and helps people understand why god does the things he does.

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If god does too much, people will get dependant and if god does too little people lose faith. Ever think of how hard it is to be god? I personally don't think god is omnipoten, science or w.e except omniprescent and if theres more then i only believe hes omniprescent because hes always there but doesn't always know the right answer. He has to make big decisions everyday and has to take in concideration of the outcome which is 10000 details.

I also think there is an afterlife but we prolly aren't part of it. I mean the universe is huge. I think that if we collect all the sand grains on the earth, beaches, deserts and all the sand grains earth would be just 1 sand grain in the entire deserts beaches w.e.
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« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2007, 03:54:36 PM »

^ Good post. Is the Einstein theory your calling upon based upon E=MC2?

I think a reason intellectuals neglect to look into religion is the history of it, which is undoubtly bloody. But thats because it became corrupt, and im talking about christianity here. But it was prophesized that it would become corrupt, and it did, through apostacy.
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« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2007, 04:09:08 PM »

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Science and Religion need each other because without science religion is wrong and without religion science is dull

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Born Felipe Andres Coronel on the 19th of February 1978, hip-hop artist Immortal Technique is a controversial figure in the U.S. His songs speak of the need for social justice and equality among all races, with special emphasis on the people of color or Latin Americans, but they also cover topics such as the fight against unfair imprisonments or militarism and many others.

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Immortal Technique Rapper Biography

Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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