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« Reply #180 on: December 31, 2007, 03:29:55 PM »

THIS IS MY RESPONSE TO ANOTHER POST THAT APPLIES HERE;
See, most of us are built to inherit a standard belief of "beginning and end" or life and death; some, will explore further and see the similarities in both, eventually concluding that beginning cannot exist without the end and therefore both must be one in nature.  And if one is to seek the correct answer one must first seek the correct question, it is easy to find an answer to any question, but with no certainty of ever having understood the correct question.  See, we try to give our answer to an old question asked within it's time, without first reforming the question to suit our modern time, or if it is absolute truth that we seek then we must first seek the absolute lie.  And if we never inform each other of our insecurities then we can never be sure in numbers.  Perhaps when we are in the search of god we must first search for ourselves; and if god were to be all of us, then, the real question would not be who/what is god but instead, who/what are we? So, it seems as if true intuition, or spirit, not to be mistaken with the conscious mind has the ability to let us arrive at the correct questions and science, the external intuition, can give us the eyes to see the right answer; and as we stretch our sight beyond the universe, we are at the same time shrinking our blindness within ourselves. 

No one has yet to "write between the lines And read between the years" (catchy lyric), I hear the word god non-stop but i never hear of enki, enlil or nammu, there are religions that existed way before christianity and judiasm, these gods take on qualities much like those of humans, but is it really so bizarre to believe that gods could act in error, that man is error, and therefore man is a primitive god abandoned by some races and not by others.    I rather encourage people to research these topics and to be skeptical of everthing they read.    But I want to ask you guys two questions; "Some say the primate-man stared himself smart, a couple small examples are, watching the spider sow he made a cloth, watching the birds weave a basket of sticks and mud, he learned to make his first shelter, watching the migration patterns of many animals he learned the necessity of travel to survive.    So, my questions are why did we stop trusting nature to teach us how to exist; and in consideration to mans latest philosophies extracted from enilightened wonderment; when did we the commonor stop looking up? I try to spend atleast a couple minutes a day to stare at the sky and wonder, for me it's become the perfect remedy to a happy life of oppression. 
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« Reply #181 on: December 31, 2007, 03:39:18 PM »

So, my questions are why did we stop trusting nature to teach us how to exist; and in consideration to mans latest philosophies extracted from enilightened wonderment; when did we the commonor stop looking up? I try to spend atleast a couple minutes a day to stare at the sky and wonder, for me it's become the perfect remedy to a happy life of oppression. 

Explain how nature used to teach us how to exist?
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« Reply #182 on: December 31, 2007, 04:13:17 PM »

That's a paradox.  It assumes that there IS something beyond the universe while at the same time saying that we can never understand it.  Well, for all intents and purposes that means there is nothing.
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« Reply #183 on: December 31, 2007, 04:17:34 PM »

God can't be proven or disproven, therefore any argument on either side is useless.
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« Reply #184 on: December 31, 2007, 04:29:00 PM »

If there is no proof then the side that says that they can prove god has lost.  This is a case where the absence of evidence is evidence of absence!
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« Reply #185 on: December 31, 2007, 04:39:54 PM »

not entirely.  The same argument could be made debating whether or not human-like creatures exist on other planets.  There's no proof to suggest there is but that doesn't mean that there could be since not every part of the universe has been explored.  The same can be made for the God argument.  Just because there's no evidence suggesting his/her existence doesn't mean that there is no such existence. 
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« Reply #186 on: December 31, 2007, 05:16:42 PM »

Yes, but all of the evidence shows that there is NO evidence of god, the same for life on other planets.  The difference is that life on other planets is possible because WE show that it is a possibility.  Life on other planets would be governed by natural laws and is within the realm of PHYSICAL possibility.  God has nothing because it is based entirely on supernatural arguments that cannot be independently verified.
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« Reply #187 on: December 31, 2007, 05:26:41 PM »

As of now, every part of the universe we understand does not need a god to exist and work. For the parts that we do not understand, we can not make an absolute statement saying there is or there is no god because of the lack of proof. But, we can say that since there is no need for a god in the physics we do understand, the trend will continue as we learn more about the universe. This doesn't prove or disprove god, but it says there is a higher probability of there being no god than the probability of there being one from past trends.

Also, as it has been pointed out numerous times, it is up to the people who believe in god to prove god, not the other way around. It is impossible to disprove a negative and there are an infinite number of possibilities that are just as likely as any form of god so it is impossible to disprove them all even if you could disprove a negative.
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« Reply #188 on: December 31, 2007, 06:37:05 PM »

Quote from: a3.   link=topic=6243.  msg95809#msg95809 date=1199137158
Explain how nature used to teach us how to exist?
First, Proof to most is "cause and effect to the third power ", but in this case we are becoming increasingly aware of the effect and simontaneously becoming aware of the cause, don't negate your intuition, it is possibly our greatest ally, most of the guys in here I can tell steered away from devoting themselves too strongly to any religous/spiritual practices, but from experience I can tell you that in order to have a universal approach you can't choose your study material, you just follow the branch effect of knowledge with absolutely no bias.   Umm and if you think there isn't evidence of life on other planets, me and about a couple other million would laugh at you, if you haven't noticed in todays world, if you ask a wise man about god he will suggest you seek his definition and not his existence, and if you ask him about aliens he would say, boo! < this isn't just some random joke, remember always visualize ok it's new years time I'm going to socialize and continue talking worldy issues else where, talk to ya guys tomorrow

oh that's right, A3, nature taught primate-man how to be "with respect to understood limitations or conditions", and like I said with the internet it's a whole lot easier to look for it on your own, I picked out the first site that related to this, it looks like it's pretty good, take a look www.   bigear.   org/CSMO/HTML/CS02/cs02p10.   htm, i'm going to definitely read it tomorrow, looks like a pretty bright kid wrote it back in 79'
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« Reply #189 on: January 02, 2008, 03:12:40 AM »

That's a paradox.  It assumes that there IS something beyond the universe while at the same time saying that we can never understand it.  Well, for all intents and purposes that means there is nothing.
well we do assume that a a black hole is centered in what is known as a singularity, wher as beyond the event horizon the force of gravity is so huge as to pulll everything possible into an infinitelly small space.

however untill we can pass beyond this point and observe events, we have no comperension of what black holes actually do, but we can point to and hypothesize/theorize to their EXISTENCE.

so we know they exist, but really we CANT proove what they do....hmm sounds a little familar

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« Reply #190 on: January 02, 2008, 03:14:47 AM »

As of now, every part of the universe we understand does not need a god to exist and work.

and how DO YOU KNOW THAT?

when Rockstar decide to change the accuracy of the shotgun in GTA, does the character KNOW any difference?

once changed, does the new accuracy therefore not become a NATURAL aspect of the game?
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« Reply #191 on: January 02, 2008, 08:55:42 AM »

well we do assume that a a black hole is centered in what is known as a singularity, wher as beyond the event horizon the force of gravity is so huge as to pulll everything possible into an infinitelly small space.

however untill we can pass beyond this point and observe events, we have no comperension of what black holes actually do, but we can point to and hypothesize/theorize to their EXISTENCE.

so we know they exist, but really we CANT proove what they do....hmm sounds a little familar

A singularity is centered in a black hole, not vice versa.


We have no idea what lies beyond the event horizon.  However it would be safe to assume that what lies beyond it is all of the matter and energy that was sucked towards it.  We do not know if it is an infinitely small space as infinities usually mean that there is something WRONG with the equations and techniques being used to measure them.

Also, we don't need to pass beyond the event horizon to know what black holes do. That can be done by observing their behavior.  We may never fully understand them, which is something that scientists will concede about many things, however we ARE able to observe their behaviors and make hypotheses and theories based on those behaviors.  The singularity at the center of a black hole has more potential for being observed than anything super-natural.  So your argument, though clever, isn't quite the same as the argument you are using to try to prove god.  Black holes are observable phenomena that we can make predictions and theories about.  God is not.
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« Reply #192 on: January 02, 2008, 09:31:00 AM »

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A singularity is centered in a black hole, not vice versa.

is that not what is said, if not its what i meant that in the centre of a black hole is a singularity.

and infinites do NOT mean something is wrong with the equation.

using newtons equation for gravitional force bewteen two masses, to get the force to equal ZERO, absolutely nothing, the masses have to a distance of infinity.

so are you gonna tell me that something is wrong with newtons equation?

infiity usually comes when we have a zero somewher in the equation.

point still lies tho, we can point to ones existence, but cant really gaurantee what exactly one does
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« Reply #193 on: January 02, 2008, 10:39:28 AM »

and how DO YOU KNOW THAT?

when Rockstar decide to change the accuracy of the shotgun in GTA, does the character KNOW any difference?

once changed, does the new accuracy therefore not become a NATURAL aspect of the game?
If we don't know of a change, how can we understand it?

All your examples are hypothetical, you are just taking advantage of not being able to disprove a negative and the fact that there are an infinite possibilities for the unknown.
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« Reply #194 on: January 03, 2008, 04:13:42 AM »

hey man all i doing is showing that knowledge of existence and comprehension are not one and the same. Gos accused me of comprehdning god, by acceptong gods existence. all im doin is showing how EVEN IN SCIENCE, we can point to ones exitence, yet not fully comprehend what that things is.

and i DONT understand/ comprehend, i just know of existnece
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« Reply #195 on: January 03, 2008, 11:31:44 AM »

You cannot firmly point to god and say "there it is" and I can objectively agree.  That is a key distinction.
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« Reply #196 on: January 04, 2008, 02:08:57 AM »

there it is  *points*
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« Reply #197 on: January 04, 2008, 03:22:55 PM »

Nice..hardly objectively observable.
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« Reply #198 on: January 06, 2008, 11:51:33 AM »

Wasn't sure if I should put this here or the evolution thread.  Kirk Cameron and Bill O'Douchebag.


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« Reply #199 on: January 06, 2008, 07:38:07 PM »

Lol, too easy.

Though one very easy way to debunk those arguments is asking, "The English/Spanish/Slavic/Iranian/Greek/Latin/Indo/(any Indo-European language) languages is/are extremely complex with...blah blah blah.... Did anyone create the English/Spanish/Slavic/Iranian/Greek/Latin/Indo/(any Indo-European languages)  language(s)?"

That can go to any family of languages.

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Born Felipe Andres Coronel on the 19th of February 1978, hip-hop artist Immortal Technique is a controversial figure in the U.S. His songs speak of the need for social justice and equality among all races, with special emphasis on the people of color or Latin Americans, but they also cover topics such as the fight against unfair imprisonments or militarism and many others.

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Immortal Technique Rapper Biography

Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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