previous racism thread cont.

[Bob]

I ain't!  I am a Tamil Tiger!!!!

Well, Tamils are on my side, as is Dogras, Malay or Shina-speakers. To point out Tamil Tigers only is rather interesting. Never knew that the 68 million of Tamils (who mainly live outside Tamil Tiger-run areas) were automatically members.

However, I do sympathize with Tamils in the North-East, just as I sympathize with Uighars fighting for autonomy in Western China. That I cannot deny.

In reply to your foolish response to SanPat:

Theonlyone understands our view. He initially did not, but as minorities, we know how to be viewed as sum. The common stereotype placed on Hispanics is that they complain, even though, contributing nothing to US society.

If you understood the error, lets rehearse. --- Jihad replied to Theo's posting following my reply, in which I pointed out the Hispanic role in American culture. Theo ignored it to press his concerns. That is offensive, to both of us, because our people have history being treated in such a manner. You don't need to be poor to understand this fact.

To say that we're wrong for highlighting the error and why Hispanic folks, who're marginalized people, react to white folks in such a manner is downright ridiculous. I am not trying to break Theo's character. We are addressing his concern. Usually Hispanics, like all those marginalized, are much stronger, and won't even bother.

[San Patricio]

So from what I read in the thread just now it seems like jihad and bob got into an argument with theo, theo mistook them for calling him racist, when he was engaging in oppressing behavior, then they explained their concerns, he understood that, and the discussion moved on, and then kitten closed it because "oh my god white people are so oppressed", I mean it could be moved to discrimination, that seems like the most pertinant thing to do

[Jihad]

No, that thread had one too few pictures of kittens with lame-ass, misspelled captions. It was not worthy of the lounge.

[Theonlyone]

In reply to your foolish response to SanPat:


Theonlyone understands our view. He initially did not, but as minorities, we know how to be viewed as sum. The common stereotype placed on Hispanics is that they complain, even though, contributing nothing to US society.

please tell me where the hell is said i thought hispanics contributed nothing to our society? Are you fucking kidding me? God Damn. I grew up in a black neighborhood. The sagging pants, bandannas, rap music, while i was growing up, was all learned from black people. I mean, jesus christ, do you guys flip shit on black people that dont know about chicanos like you did to me?

If you understood the error, lets rehearse. --- Jihad replied to Theo's posting following my reply, in which I pointed out the Hispanic role in American culture. Theo ignored it to press his concerns. That is offensive, to both of us, because our people have history being treated in such a manner. You don't need to be poor to understand this fact.

i never ignored your response, i was just pointing out what i thought was a disparity. And...simply because i didnt know the real heritage behind sagging pants makes me a racist? Because i didnt know that chicanos started it makes me a racist? I mean, as i said above, by being raised where i was, its only natural that i think it is from the black culture right?
 

So from what I read in the thread just now it seems like jihad and bob got into an argument with theo, theo mistook them for calling him racist, when he was engaging in oppressing behavior, then they explained their concerns, he understood that, and the discussion moved on, and then kitten closed it because "oh my god white people are so oppressed", I mean it could be moved to discrimination, that seems like the most pertinant thing to do

mistook my ass. Jihad told me that deep down, i dont like walking nxt to black people on the side walk (at least he implied it) and the discussion didnt move on, because then marcos went on to imply and assume that i think black people are lazy and some other shit.

Also, Jihad went to great strides to taint my image by saying i post shit on here to make myself look "like the good white" and that im not like "those other whites" which is bullshit, because never once have i ever said that i am better then any other white person. I merely stated some feelings i had when people used racist terminology.

Then he tells me that i should change my style, just because people wont take me serious. Now, you say IM oppressive, yet here's Marcos telling me how the fuck to wear my pants

and san pat, i dont think kitten moved it cuz of white people being oppressed, re-read  the thread my man.

and of course, i know im gonna catch a lot of heat after posting this, because im sure GoS will hop in to say some shit about how deep down i am a racist, and jihad will go on about how i hate everyone but whites, and marcos will join in also and add to their conversations. And MurdaH will most likely pop in to accuse me of being a racist, just for good measure

[Jihad]

Jesus fucking Christ. See, the bitch part of locking the other thread is that I have to quote, one by one, every post in the discussion. So anyway, Theo started with this:

this one irks me, i had a spanish kid with baggy pants, a bandana in his pocket, flat brim hat, chains, Jordans, wifebeater and listening to rap yell to me to "stop acting black"...im like...wtf?

Bob saw the ignorance littered throughout this post, so he made an effort to reach out to this close-minded fuck by educating him:

You  do know that baggy pants originated from Hispanic culture? To be specific, the Chicano culture of Mexico Americans. From Wiki:

became one of the most prevalent styles of hip hop, and by the mid-1990s, hip hop fashion had taken on significant influence from the dress styles of street thugs and prison inmates. West Coast gangsta rappers adopted the style of Los Angeles' cholos (Chicano gangsters),[3] including baggy pants,[3] black ink tattoos, bandanas,[3] and shirt tails outside one's pants.

Black culture plays a large culture of course as well, however lets at least recognize the Hispanic role as well.

THEN Teho responded with this little gem:

i find it hypocritical that used "acting black" when he was too...

Let's pause for a second to review. At this point, Bob ALREADY has posted the above link to Wikipedia. So at this point, Teho has either not read what Bob wrote, or made a conscious effort to ignore it. Either way, it is this SECOND reply to Bob that moved me to step in and write what I did. Theo, stop fucking whining that you're being accused of being a "racist" just because you "didn't know" about Chicano culture, when the truth of the matter is, if anyone WAS accusing you of being racist, it's because you made ANOTHER ignorant comment AFTER Bob had posted the information that should have countered your preconceived notions.

Fuck, if that other thread ever does come back, y'all should take these posts out of here and move em there.

[Theonlyone]

you know what you failed to realize? the fact that the kid didnt know the origin of the style he was  wearing. That was my point. Why didnt the dude say "stop acting hispanic"? because i doubt he knew. did you not get what i was saying there? maybe my wording was messed and you got the wrong fucking thought. You want the wording that i meant?

"i find it hypocritical that used "acting black" when he was acting the same way"

hows that? does that make a clearer point as to what i was saying?

i wasnt eliminating the fucking fact that theres a hispanic tie to the style, i was pointing how he used those words, while HE TOO was ignorant on his own culture...

but im fucking done arguing, because i already said my peace with this shit.

and stop fucking labeling me, God Damn, this is what i mean by you tainting my image, and this is what kitten was fucking talking about. You call me a close minded fuck, when you know nothing, you fucking hear me? NOTHING about what the fuck goes through my mind. So shut the fuck up about all this fucking labeling shit. What kind of bitch does that shit?

and stop defending yourself, you've implied many times that i am a racist, so stop lying. and can i ask who the fuck you are telling this to? the whole fucking site already thinks im a god damn racist, so, youre just preaching to the choir, boy

[Bob]

please tell me where the hell is said i thought hispanics contributed nothing to our society? Are you fucking kidding me? God Damn. I grew up in a black neighborhood. The sagging pants, bandannas, rap music, while i was growing up, was all learned from black people. [bI mean, jesus christ, do you guys flip shit on black people that dont know about chicanos like you did to me?[/b]

Buddy, I cited my source and yet you ignored this fact. That is what upset us. You still went on, even after my post. That is quite traditional, though (and I don't blame you), where marginalized people are divided. In fairness, Marcos questioned: why do you continue?

Next thing, black and brown folks don't tend to be heavy w.r.t. divisions. Its the reason why non-black folks are able adopt black culture without getting stomped. That is very different from colour folks striving toward "whiteness", which is requisite to enter livable socio-economic segments. Even if earning a place, we're still "alien", "criminal", or "terrorist", and expected to support policy that harms one's own.

In reply to your question I highlighted. If a black person vents out anger or ignorance for contributing, attempting to integrate, but yet is chained up, thrown into a cage, and blamed for society ills. No doubt about it, I won't be hating. People of colour are generally told, "we are nothing", so we understand. This isn't something most white folks understood, unless shit goes bad on their end, and hence the bullshit in the domestic and international sphere.

and of course, i know im gonna catch a lot of heat after posting this, because im sure GoS will hop in to say some shit about how deep down i am a racist, and jihad will go on about how i hate everyone but whites, and marcos will join in also and add to their conversations. And MurdaH will most likely pop in to accuse me of being a racist, just for good measure

It has to be GoS? To be honest, Gos and I don't even communicate that well. You could even throw in Toxic since she and GoS (and Marcos) has a stronger connection, and will likely jointly develop a successful ideology.

Poor assumption on your behalf. I do understand why you'd bring up GoS, though, its 'cause he unravels the void in an unadulterated fashion. Discipline required to do so, is often considered the peak of academic discourse. Yes, to many, even proponents of Hip Hop, that may not be a nice story. To proponents, Hip Hop artists usually display sympathy to white males, by attenuating the message with nice instrumentals, and inadvertently delivering stories regarding the evil physics-defying 'whores'.

That kind of behaviour is the norm everywhere. I also am sympathetic to whites who are ignorant (a form of oppression, btw), but I tend to minimize my personal in my threads as do others. I'd rather base my views solely on academic literature. The marginalized don't serve this, they give, but receive shit. I am not going to sugarcoat my words on an IT forum. That was the thesis of my post the moment I made that reply. I won't be falling back anytime soon.

Last, Kitten's behaviour was weak. Period. I always see people with colour trying to perpetuate the pseudo-intellectual white racist. This is a concept we destroyed, several times. Academic literature was on our side, but regardless this mindset won't change suddenly. That's because dick riders alway thinks he's gonna get paid.

[Theonlyone]

Buddy, I cited my source and yet you ignored this fact. That is what upset us. You still went on, even after my post. That is quite traditional, though (and I don't blame you), where marginalized people are divided. In fairness, Marcos questioned: why do you continue?

Next thing, black and brown folks don't tend to be heavy w.r.t. divisions. Its the reason why non-black folks are able adopt black culture without getting stomped. That is very different from colour folks striving toward "whiteness", which is requisite to enter livable socio-economic segments. Even if earning a place, we're still "alien", "criminal", or "terrorist", and expected to support policy that harms one's own.

In reply to your question I highlighted. If a black person vents out anger or ignorance for contributing, attempting to integrate, but yet is chained up, thrown into a cage, and blamed for society ills. No doubt about it, I won't be hating. People of colour are generally told, "we are nothing", so we understand. This isn't something most white folks understood, unless shit goes bad on their end, and hence the bullshit in the domestic and international sphere.

aight, i get it now. And i apologize for flipping shit on you. But i have taken responsibility by saying that, yes i was ignorant and that i didn't fully understand your point, but now i do. So i will apologize to you, Bob

It has to be GoS? To be honest, Gos and I don't even communicate that well. You could even throw in Toxic since she and GoS (and Marcos) has a stronger connection, and will likely jointly develop a successful ideology.

Poor assumption on your behalf. I do understand why you'd bring up GoS, though, its 'cause he unravels the void in an unadulterated fashion. Discipline required to do so, is often considered the peak of academic discourse. Yes, to many, even proponents of Hip Hop, that may not be a nice story. To proponents, Hip Hop artists usually display sympathy to white males, by attenuating the message with nice instrumentals, and inadvertently delivering stories regarding the evil physics-defying 'whores'.

That kind of behaviour is the norm everywhere. I also am sympathetic to whites who are ignorant (a form of oppression, btw), but I tend to minimize my personal in my threads as do others. I'd rather base my views solely on academic literature. The marginalized don't serve this, they give, but receive shit. I am not going to sugarcoat my words on an IT forum. That was the thesis of my post the moment I made that reply. I won't be falling back anytime soon.

Last, Kitten's behaviour was weak. Period. I always see people with colour trying to perpetuate the pseudo-intellectual white racist. This is a concept we destroyed, several times. Academic literature was on our side, but regardless this mindset won't change suddenly. That's because dick riders alway thinks he's gonna get paid.

see, i intentionally didnt mention you in that list bob, because, unlike those i mentioned, you work to correct wrong views, you dont jump down the persons throat and scream labels and shit at them. GoS, Marcos, Jihad, and MurdaH all have done so in the past. I actually enjoy reading your posts, because 95% of the time, you take a very academic approach and disregard feelings to convey the message you want.

and, this is a question, your last paragraph, are you trying to say that kitten did this because its more or less is the fact that he thinks by helping me (the white racist i take it *rolls eyes*) that he will get a perk in return? just asking, cuz im having trouble understanding what you meant by it

[Jihad]

"i find it hypocritical that used "acting black" when he was acting the same way"

That's actually exactly how I read what you wrote. You see, you are still JUDGING this young Chicano male, which, as a privileged white male, you are simply in no position to do. What difference does it make if he said "stop acting black" or "stop acting Hispanic"? As Bob pointed out, solidarity among minorities is very common when we are dealing with the non-marginalized peoples (read: whiteys). You fail to understand where this kid is coming from, why he might feel hostile towards a privileged white male who he feels is attempting to "adopt" the culture of the minority (something white people in this country have been NOTORIOUS for doing), even though Bob explained it to you on more than one occasion.

But Bob already addressed your ridiculous rantings in the previous post. Instead, I will just point out why I continually call you out for having ignorant perceptions of minorities (albeit perhaps subconsciously):

this one irks me, i had a spanish kid with baggy pants, a bandana in his pocket, flat brim hat, chains, Jordans, wifebeater and listening to rap yell to me to "stop acting black"...im like...wtf?

You see that part I highlighted in red? You may not realize it, but THAT is YOUR perception of what entails "acting black." Why would you even bring up those details? Simply put, it is because you have been conditioned to accept a stereotyped view of what "black" is... "acting black" means gang-banging. "Acting black" means listening to rap. "Acting black" means wearing gold chains and $100 shoes. Who knows? Maybe the Chicano man was NOT referring to your "baggy pants" when he implored you to stop stealing minority culture (you did not specify, so I will assume that he didn't say "Pull up your pants and stop acting black.")? The fact that YOU would go to these stereotypes is all too telling. Lastly:

and stop defending yourself

You are accusing me of becoming defensive? This is high comedy. Let us all let that one stew for a little bit, and see if Teho eventually picks up on the irony. Priceless.

[Theonlyone]

That's actually exactly how I read what you wrote. You see, you are still JUDGING this young Chicano male, which, as a privileged white male, you are simply in no position to do. What difference does it make if he said "stop acting black" or "stop acting Hispanic"? As Bob pointed out, solidarity among minorities is very common when we are dealing with the non-marginalized peoples (read: whiteys). You fail to understand where this kid is coming from, why he might feel hostile towards a privileged white male who he feels is attempting to "adopt" the culture of the minority (something white people in this country have been NOTORIOUS for doing), even though Bob explained it to you on more than one occasion.

now im not gonna go on and bitch about how "he has no right judging me cuz i had the same background, although diff color then him" because i understand that whites do get the better hand in this country. i will say however, that it is skewed to view every white as privileged, at least in the sense that we get whatever we want handed to us. (ATM, i am ignoring white privilege and how others treat whites over other minorities, if only for the sake of argument, because, yes, i realize that it exists). I've had to struggle a lot in my life too (not making excuses, just bringing in some of my past)You are saying the whole thing about how minorities have things that are acceptable for them, so that they can have something the white man doesnt have, correct? am i getting what you are saying?

But Bob already addressed your ridiculous rantings in the previous post. Instead, I will just point out why I continually call you out for having ignorant perceptions of minorities (albeit perhaps subconsciously):

You see that part I highlighted in red? You may not realize it, but THAT is YOUR perception of what entails "acting black." Why would you even bring up those details? Simply put, it is because you have been conditioned to accept a stereotyped view of what "black" is... "acting black" means gang-banging. "Acting black" means listening to rap. "Acting black" means wearing gold chains and $100 shoes. Who knows? Maybe the Chicano man was NOT referring to your "baggy pants" when he implored you to stop stealing minority culture (you did not specify, so I will assume that he didn't say "Pull up your pants and stop acting black.")? The fact that YOU would go to these stereotypes is all too telling.

why would i say those things i mentioned equal black? because every time ive worn those, or done those things, i have been accused of acting black. All through my life. So, since i was young, this perception has been pounded into my head (by mixed races, not all white). And dont act like those are the only things i tie into the black culture. Its just that, many black people (in my life at least) have made those things synonymous with their culture. And i see now what you mean, that it was a stereotypical way to look at it. And i will apologize to you for starting such a huge thing over it.

and what else could he be referring to? i mean, idk...my whole problem is that, i have my style, my own style, that i am ok with, and here i am being labeled and dropped in a category, but thats beside the point.

You are accusing me of becoming defensive? This is high comedy. Let us all let that one stew for a little bit, and see if Teho eventually picks up on the irony. Priceless.

Oh i know i get defensive, but at least i can admit to it, realizing your problem is the first step Jidah

[murdaLicious]

please tell me where the hell is said i thought hispanics contributed nothing to our society?

learn to read dumbass.  it said it was the common stereotype, not one that you necessarily made.

[Theonlyone]

learn to read dumbass.  it said it was the common stereotype, not one that you necessarily made.

well i got the feeling that he was implying that i had that sort of stigma about hispanics

[Bob]

and, this is a question, your last paragraph, are you trying to say that kitten did this because its more or less is the fact that he thinks by helping me (the white racist i take it *rolls eyes*) that he will get a perk in return? just asking, cuz im having trouble understanding what you meant by it

I actually did not refer to you. However, when a white or non-white dick riders ignores the racial socio-economic disparity, and points to the so called oppressed white: I call it racist. GoS would refer to such an individuals as white liberal.

On the other hand, I don't, because they're much more difficult to point out. They promote the same policies as the white racist. To be honest, I prefer the white nationalist who wants me dead. No wonder, I had no problems communicating with individuals that carry such views. In fact, as you approach socio-economic classes that are more white, its expected.

The remark about dick riders getting paid does not need to be monetary, it could be psychological. I am actually familiar with Kitten's position, as I do belong to an ethnic group, where many attempt to inch closer to whiteness. They assume to be preferred by institutions (despite being marginalized in higher segments) and perpetuate the same crap that white liberals do. I often thought, those being closer to Hip Hip culture, whether conscious or not, would unmask that bullshit. Looks like I'm wrong. Maybe the discussion is approaching a level beyond Hip Hop.

[Nervecell]

yeah bro, even i thought it was pretty racist when you said the latino guy was 'acting black' when the latinos are hip hop to.

[ineed<3]

yeah bro, even i thought it was pretty racist when you said the latino guy was 'acting black' when the latinos are hip hop to.

i'm sure he didn't mean it to be racist. what i think theo meant was that the dude who was talking to him had the same style of clothing as theo...

[Bob]

Note I don't assume that either. I always felt that Theo is a progressive vs. a white liberal.

The reasoning is simple: To white liberals, Dead Prez and Immortal Technique are angry anti-white racists. Generally commercial Hip Hop generally attracts a mainstream, mainly-white liberal population. These two sub-genres differ for a reason, and I doubt Theo belong in that group.

[marcos]

Theo, your challenged reading comprehesion skills makes me not want to engage in this debate if you can call it that. Just don't put words in my mouth dunny.

[Bob]

To San Patricio:
Your take? There is a reason why I'm not going to stare down a poor black/brown/red kid for using slurs, who belongs to a group destined to live in poverty. There is a reason why I'd more critical for one being in a group that is more likely going to living in the positive side of the disparity.

It isn't that clear cut of course, but the number who drop out school, end up in prisons, are gunned down, and are socio-economic marginalized obviously leans away from the white men. The reason why people of colour, use homophobic and sexist vocabulary is a sad reality.

Since these cultural groups are still expected to take in part in the "Great Capitalist Race", while chained onto a boulder, it makes it difficult for me to criticize. However, most here, are privileged, a higher standard should be expected. This goes for any form of -isms.

As I suggested earlier, maybe we ought to take in account demographics?

[Godfather of Soul]

There is no such thing as  "acting black"...blackness is a state of being.  You are either black or you are not.  A black man who sings country music is acting black.  A white man who gang bangs and speaks black English is acting white.  There is no "acting black" there is only being black.  There are too many people of all colors who think that there is a way of acting like a particular race, gender, etc.  It's bullshit and it traps people into narrow definitions of self that they may not be entirely comfortable with.  As Teho exemplifies, his perceptions of what "acting black"  are, are totally misguided and associated with negativity.  A doctor who happens to be black is not acting black if he carries himself in a professional manner and speaks perfect
Standard English...At least not according to people like Teho.

[Jihad]

Man, I feel left out. What's "acting Kashmiri?"