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« on: November 26, 2007, 12:13:38 PM »

...people listen to Alex Jones even though he's a crazy religious zealot, I would implore you to watch this video...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8

A full two months before 9.11 and here we have Alex calling out that there will be a false-flag terrorist attack carried out by the Neo-fascists.

Why do you think people listen to this man? Because he literally predicted 9/11 was going to happen. (And he isn't the only person to do it.)

I've never seen this video discussed on the forums and I would like to see what you all think...

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 02:09:00 PM »

Predicting a terrorist attack on the WTC wasn't that much of a stretch...  A group detonated a car bomb in it in 1993, something that 9/11 zealots fail to acknowledge. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 08:29:59 PM »

Yes, with explosives provided by the FBI......
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2007, 08:31:57 PM »

Predicting a terrorist attack on the WTC wasn't that much of a stretch...  A group detonated a car bomb in it in 1993, something that 9/11 zealots fail to acknowledge. 

id understand it not being a stretch if that bomb was in like 1999 or something, but 93 is kinda long time before 2001 to make some predictions on the shit
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2007, 08:56:06 PM »

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Yes, with explosives provided by the FBI......

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id understand it not being a stretch if that bomb was in like 1999 or something, but 93 is kinda long time before 2001 to make some predictions on the shit

That makes it obvious that people were determined to bring it down and that it was clearly a target.  It's like being surprised that a bank that had been robbed before was robbed a second time.  And 8 years is not a long time by any stretch of the imagination. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2007, 11:28:08 PM »

Alex Jones has been predicting marshall law in all of the US for the longest time and it has yet to happen. He's been warning of an impending police state yet he doesn't acknoledge that poor people especially of color have been under a police state before his grandparents were even born. I'm supposed to ignore his lies, his hateful messages, his debunked theories just because one of his many predictions came true?
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2007, 08:05:03 AM »

Evidence please.


CBS News: FBI Foreknowledge of 1993 WTC bombing
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THE NEW YORK TIMES

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Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1

"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart
Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"

By Ralph Blumenthal

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as being in a far better position than previously known to foil the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.

The explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand people injured, and damages in excess of half-a-billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court [on charges of involvement] in that attack.

Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases: the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast, he was feuding with the F.B.I.

Supervisor `Messed It Up'

After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an undated transcript of a conversation from that period, Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said, "came and messed it up."

"He requested to meet me in the hotel," Mr. Salem says of the supervisor.

"He requested to make me to testify, and if he didn't push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with a phony powder, and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that."

The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to complain to F.B.I. Headquarters in Washington about the Bureau's failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by an agent identified as John Anticev.

Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him,

"He said, I don't think that the New York people would like the things out of the New York Office to go to Washington, D.C."

Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it, saying of the `New York people':

"Well, of course not, because they don't want to get their butts chewed."

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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2007, 10:57:34 AM »

Yeah, foreknowledge is one thing, giving explosives is a totally different thing.

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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2007, 02:48:30 PM »

This is basically like me predicting that the government of Sudan will fall in the next decade.  "Please now worship me and ignore any incredibly racist and/or paranoid comments I may make."

and his prediction is wrong anyway, as there is no proof that it was a false flag operation.  So, he's like 0 for 20 now.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2007, 03:03:09 PM »

and his prediction is wrong anyway, as there is no proof that it was a false flag operation. 



^ Yea perhaps in pokemon land, but in the real world there are a ton of serious questions that need answers.
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2007, 07:06:03 PM »



^ Yea perhaps in pokemon land, but in the real world there are a ton of serious questions that need answers.

and "tons of serious questions" is not proof dipshit.
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2007, 10:15:01 PM »

Ah man back to the whole "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" thing again. Still doesn’t change the fact that tons of questions do need to be answered (Truthfully) which will happen right about never.

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2007, 11:40:07 PM »

There are answers to the questions, it's just that people in this movement are satisfied with them.
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2007, 11:41:17 PM »

Evidence please.

Point is Government involvement...

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2007, 11:43:46 PM »

Where is there evidence of government involvement beyond "we had this memo and did nothing" or "we had this specific intel and did nothing"? 

I just love anti-government people.  The big bad "government"...that term is so nebulous that it can mean just about anything.  The "government" is an enormous entity of hundreds of thousands of individuals.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2007, 12:38:13 PM »

Ah man back to the whole "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" thing again. Still doesn’t change the fact that tons of questions do need to be answered (Truthfully) which will happen right about never.



It will never happen if you people (you people?! yes, you people) refuse to accept any answers that don't fit with your preconceived conclusions.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2007, 07:42:38 PM »

OK, this is a clear as I can put it.

1. The FBI had a mole with a terror cell
2. The FBI wanted to replaced the explosive material for the bomb with inert powder.
3. The FBI opted to let the Terrorists use real explosive for the bomb
4. The FBI let the terrorists drive a van under the World Trade Center and detonate the explosive.

Are you implying the FBI was not culpable for that incident?  Please tell us

And just so we get this right.  I'm not anti-government.  I'm anti-incompetent government

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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2007, 07:51:19 PM »

Evidence please...Pardon my skepticism if I don't trust your word on this one.
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2007, 08:43:38 PM »

Evidence please...Pardon my skepticism if I don't trust your word on this one.



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http://911review.org/Wiki/FirstWTCBombing.shtml
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2007, 12:18:43 AM »

Wow, see what happens when you post actual evidence... 

Your numbers two and three are incorrect:

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Before the bombing, he offered to do a switcheroo on the bombers, substituting a harmless powder for the deadly explosives and thereby preventing any potential catastrophe. The FBI spurned his offer. The New York Times October 28, 1993, article with this revelation was headlined, “Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast.” Salem complained to one FBI agent that an FBI supervisor “requested to make me to testify [in public] and if he didn’t push for that, we’ll be going building the bomb with a phony powder and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But … we didn’t do that.”

But, the point is, as the title of the article says, that the FBI BLUNDERED.  That's different than carrying out the attack. 

Your second source isn't nearly as good as the first:

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Salameh, and the leader of his mosque Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman, were given long sentences despite the fact that the bombing was clearly an FBI supplied and controlled operation.

Hardly...

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