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« on: November 27, 2007, 01:03:15 AM »

Socialized Ignorance

The Majority arent artists but thieves of the art, look at the blackwoman couldnt steal mona lisa so they defaced, defamed the painting/ Mirror mirror of my mother are, you a whore, crazy, insecure most of all money hungry ? surprising i didnt get an answer, why you hating on the other girl if you arent the above/ now you getting tossed by the bouncer/ You a little dude straight up,you still let your pants sag/ You know the real meaning of drag, No homo/ They blame mother and father but they told you plus they were home though/ Call your self a gangsta, look at tookie williams did his pants drag ? hugh/ huey newton did his pants sag, what about malcolm and  the first hood black panthers/ the real cats that started and gave us the thug mind state, but noo you settle to believe eazy e's and ice T's hollywood smoking mirrors we slaved and payed our way to that genre gangsta rap/ although krs did it but didnt saturate the crap.  .   the noi still reigned supreme and held it down/ now i just see clowns with a pen, without the iotas of idea on how this poetic movement called hiphop started/ wasnt designed for dumbing down people or socializing ignorance bottomline positivity spreads if you let it spread same with negativity peep my mental activity, defy gravity stay blended like nature anonymity/ Walked four miles to a well for bath water at the age of 9 - 10, to me  thats gangsta/ you wankstas still wearing ice with platinum white jesus pieces, if he was here he'll  smite these false idols and fake preachers, and reinstate gnosticism, monotheism free mental slaves from prison / We worship money and government like fans but, they should be the ones cheering on and motivating us from the bleachers/.  . 
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2007, 07:43:55 AM »

Wassup with the critics ??
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2007, 03:28:21 AM »

Too many strong elements: Anger. More anger. And even more anger. The typical, "we suck" and "not the system" mentality still held by the marginalized.

Minus the poor command, it'd be gold if considered a parody. Grin
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2007, 06:27:57 PM »

Well nice thought but look around you, what does a rapper thats out the hood with 1 million dollars cash have to rap about ?? yet they still spoon feed us their blindness so in actuality we do suck. .  He can take that money and, educate people or himself you can rap with you pants pulled up. .  rather than buy big rims etc. .  because he never had it, then next week 30 inch rims comes out and he wants that and he feeds us the same crap. . .  So its not that I am trying to marginalize people or I am marginalizing myself . .  thats not the idea its more of airing out the dirt. .  that we act like we dont see. .  Have ever thought if, some of these rappers learned how to spell, read and write. .  educate. .  instead of the nonsense braggadocios. .  words we'd be better we would. .  bottomline is if you read that line which I believe I have in there. .  Positivity spreads if you allow it. .  So I know its quite typical to you. .  but its still the truth. .   its funny dude you read the negative stuff but you didnt catch the message. .  ie. .  Did tookie williams sag his pants ? no, did huey newton all those brother do it ? no you criticism is good but it seems like your one of those people that skim through songs. .  and call the album wack. .  I've listen to hiphop, for 17 years, been a promoter. .  and I have to say.  the rate in which we kids, copy each other in the street is alarming. .  Maybe they'll pay attention if you have better grades just because you books are 5 years old and you "know it" doesnt give you the right to skylark and dumb yourself down. .  Bob last thing I have to say to you is this dude your probably the type that falls asleep during a malcolm x movie. .  pay attention. . 
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2007, 06:49:26 PM »

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Too many strong elements: Anger.    More anger.    And even more anger.    The typical, "we suck" and "not the system" mentality still held by the marginalized.   

Minus the poor command, it'd be gold if considered a parody.    Grin

Too many strong elements WTF.   .    sorry I had to analyze your criticism again, I dont write for money.   .    So your " Go gold" statements you can save it when you drop an album and scream "We getting money at the top of your lungs" <--  by the way that sentence is incorrect.   .     and again I dont think your paying attention.   .    I mean you have people saying that "young Jeezy" is the realest N&gga alive"<-- this rapper several of his metaphors are about selling cocaine.   .    and drug references.   .     what is that.   .    what is he offering, what does a a child gain, what does a depressed person gain that needs some form of escapism gain what ?? smoke some cush ?? again .   .    Theres alot of socialized ignorance going on dude that we can easily change.   .    For example, "Pig feet" why do we consider this a delicacy, when our forefathers at this out of hunger ?, and if you tell me that if we were back in that day and age and they offered the first slave that ate pigfeet, chicken, he'd still eat it ?? I think not.   .    brother bottomline.   .    And till today its still at soulfood restaurants etcetera.   .       

Basically if this is the kinda of critics we have here dont bother.   .    keep on practicing apathy coasting along with the rest.   .     I dont think you understand what Immortal music is about.   .   .     The government is not going to save you bottomline save yourself, and saving one self doesnt involve killing another of your kind or feeding him negativity.   .    if they see we arent achieve oneness and getting educated.   .    they'll keep their foots on our necks.   .    I dont know if you've read the art of war but.   .    if you dont know your enemy how are you going to fight.   .    ?? But we all seem to fall for money.   .    thats the biggest evil besides the government.   .    I mean if they're evil why dont you be cool and learn the law, first then hustle .   .   instead of talk shit about them then hustle.   .    Another example Jay-Z had a line he said, umm goes something like this, telling people dont buy "50's of weed, invest in pounds of weed" What is that.  .   ?? yet he drives off with our money in a brinks Truck called "Rocafella Records" and in Blue Magic - He said the CIA Contra made him hustle, of course people around his way hustled being the reason why he did it.   does that make him bad no it doesnt but again.  .   he was socialized by it thats all he seen and knew and copied.  .   Instead they could've got at those pushers and ganstas positively but nope again the Money god made us turn a blind eye.  .  
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2007, 06:51:18 PM »

I know what you're saying, bro. But that's the rappers money.

Also, I did take the positive. I just didn't note it, though. Sorry about that, I should have addressed your post in a more comprehensive manner. I do not believe in blaming the victim (rapper included), though.

And, I sleep during a Malcom X moving? I probably should considering I am not even black. But bro, I agree with black nationalism. Read my next posts elsewhere. I have developed my argument. I am suggesting that Eurocentrism is the enemy. That was something X noted. That is why he suggested that blacks develop their own institutions. To serve the black community.

I think we just misunderstood each other. Peace. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2007, 07:04:11 PM »

Quote from: Bob link=topic=6413. msg85094#msg85094 date=1196297478
I know what you're saying, bro.  But that's the rappers money. 

Also, I did take the positive.  I just didn't note it, though.  Sorry about that, I should have addressed your post in a more comprehensive manner.  I do not believe in blaming the victim (rapper included), though. 

And, I sleep during a Malcom X moving? I probably should considering I am not even black.  But bro, I agree with black nationalism.  Read my next posts elsewhere.  I have developed my argument.  I am suggesting that Eurocentrism is the enemy.  That was something X noted.  That is why he suggested that blacks develop their own institutions.  To serve the black community. 

I think we just misunderstood each other.  Peace.  :)

I am not a black nationalist I believe in oneness I am was born in nigeria came here when I was 14. .  i even got jumped by black kids and didnt blink or retaliate. .  because I guess i pushed my "World history class too hard" Yes the grades were on point. .  I guess caused their aggravation towards me ( again socialized ignorance jumping a kid for good grades ?? ). .  But ohwell I believe in teach one, reach one, or however that saying goes. .  Peace. . 
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2007, 07:06:35 PM »

I am not a black nationalist I believe in oneness I am was born in nigeria came here when I was 14. .  i even got jumped by black kids and didnt blink or retaliate. .  because I guess i pushed my "World history class too hard" Yes the grades were on point. .  I guess caused their aggravation towards me ( again socialized ignorance jumping a kid for good grades ?? ). .  But ohwell I believe in teach one, reach one, or however that saying goes. .  Peace. . 
Well, I am going to be honest. When I suggest black nationalism, I am talking under a white dynamic. To many here that it what it'd be seen as. If we develop a system where blacks are able to realize autonomy, that is far from any form of extremism.

Yes, I agree. Jumping a kid for attaining good grades is just as fucked as increased probability of being marked by the cops.
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2007, 07:17:28 PM »

Too many strong elements WTF.   .    sorry I had to analyze your criticism again, I dont write for money.   .    So your " Go gold" statements you can save it when you drop an album and scream "We getting money at the top of your lungs" <--  by the way that sentence is incorrect.   .     and again I dont think your paying attention.   .    I mean you have people saying that "young Jeezy" is the realest N&gga alive"<-- this rapper several of his metaphors are about selling cocaine.   .    and drug references.   .     what is that.   .    what is he offering, what does a a child gain, what does a depressed person gain that needs some form of escapism gain what ?? smoke some cush ?? again .   .    Theres alot of socialized ignorance going on dude that we can easily change.   .    For example, "Pig feet" why do we consider this a delicacy, when our forefathers at this out of hunger ?, and if you tell me that if we were back in that day and age and they offered the first slave that ate pigfeet, chicken, he'd still eat it ?? I think not.   .    brother bottomline.   .    And till today its still at soulfood restaurants etcetera.   .       

Basically if this is the kinda of critics we have here dont bother.   .    keep on practicing apathy coasting along with the rest.   .     I dont think you understand what Immortal music is about.   .   .     The government is not going to save you bottomline save yourself, and saving one self doesnt involve killing another of your kind or feeding him negativity.   .    if they see we arent achieve oneness and getting educated.   .    they'll keep their foots on our necks.   .    I dont know if you've read the art of war but.   .    if you dont know your enemy how are you going to fight.   .    ?? But we all seem to fall for money.   .    thats the biggest evil besides the government.   .    I mean if they're evil why dont you be cool and learn the law, first then hustle .   .   instead of talk shit about them then hustle.   .    Another example Jay-Z had a line he said, umm goes something like this, telling people dont buy "50's of weed, invest in pounds of weed" What is that.  .   ?? yet he drives off with our money in a brinks Truck called "Rocafella Records" and in Blue Magic - He said the CIA Contra made him hustle, of course people around his way hustled being the reason why he did it.   does that make him bad no it doesnt but again.  .   he was socialized by it thats all he seen and knew and copied.  .   Instead they could've got at those pushers and ganstas positively but nope again the Money god made us turn a blind eye.  .  

You ask for criticism and then act like a baby.  You don't want criticism, you want praise.  Don't post if you can't handle honest criticism.  Especially when what you post isn't even that good.
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2007, 07:45:57 PM »

Quote from: murdaH link=topic=6413.  msg85115#msg85115 date=1196299048
You ask for criticism and then act like a baby.    You don't want criticism, you want praise.    Don't post if you can't handle honest criticism.    Especially when what you post isn't even that good. 
you my friend I dont think your name is bob.  .   plus if you read what I've typed praising me does nothing.  .   Fuck your praise and anybody elses just read the whole post as a poem not as me trying to make money out of it.  .   but just as a fucking poem about hiphops dirty laundry .  .   Dont start with me okay I beg ya.  .   plus I know its not in your fickle nature to try a verse against a person like me just read it and comment.  .   also read "Bobs" reply while he's thinking about money.  .   you damn neophyte
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2007, 08:11:56 AM »

Money is fairly useless, but it can be used to relieve poverty. I am not sure, but rappers aren't require to funnel back the funding to their community. Some rappers may suggest they don't own anything.

I guess, transcending behind the money issue would be better option. To alter the entire economic setup of our nations to one where everyone is excluded. If not, our nation could be states within states, with each being controlled by cultural groups. In that way, marginalized folks could be given an incentive to earn and give back to their own community ala Jews.

Murdah, the dude is clearly looking at autonomy Jewish-style. Wink
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2007, 11:55:10 AM »

you my friend I dont think your name is bob.  .   plus if you read what I've typed praising me does nothing.  .   Fuck your praise and anybody elses just read the whole post as a poem not as me trying to make money out of it.  .   but just as a fucking poem about hiphops dirty laundry .  .   Dont start with me okay I beg ya.  .   plus I know its not in your fickle nature to try a verse against a person like me just read it and comment.  .   also read "Bobs" reply while he's thinking about money.  .   you damn neophyte

You ask for criticism and then act like a baby.  You don't want criticism, you want praise.  Don't post if you can't handle honest criticism.  Especially when what you post isn't even that good.

And learn to type.
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And learn to type.
I detect murdaH the moderator. sipping a can of hate juice, telling me to learn to type.. Thanks.. I guess I didnt type this poem, I just made text magically appear online. ? Peace murdaH whether you like me or hate me.. peace.. plus my thoughts are too pang for you to stomach.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2007, 05:02:43 PM »

The poem is strong. I dont have access to much writing such as that. Being relatively new to forums etc, it alleviates me in reading content as strong as that.

Constructive criticism can be good, but views shouldnt deflect a state of mind. Surely it is in the education you seem to have recieved that brings out the strength in the bars.

Its a contradicting shame what many rappers run they mouths off about. I saw a couple of rappers on fox news debating with a high school head teacher, and it sickened me the way the rappers were disrespecting the headteacher of over a thousand kids! what kind of thing is that for the kids of that school or any school to see.

The rappers (forgotten ther names) were tearing into the man, tryn to ridicule him, and just going all out on the guy, without letting him speak, whilst the fox news presenter was watching and encouraging all of them! talk about divide conqueor! Whereabouts are you glasscut?
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2007, 06:21:31 PM »

I detect murdaH the moderator. sipping a can of hate juice, telling me to learn to type.. Thanks.. I guess I didnt type this poem, I just made text magically appear online. ? Peace murdaH whether you like me or hate me.. peace.. plus my thoughts are too pang for you to stomach.

Yes, yes, yes.  I am sipping on that haterade.  There's no other explanation for someone not thinking your poem was amazing.  Hell, I'm probably just jealous.  Grow up.  Your poem is not too radical and deep and badass for me; it just sounds like every other melodramatic poem of its type.  Like Bob said, it would work fabulously as a parody, but that is all.
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The poem is strong. I dont have access to much writing such as that. Being relatively new to forums etc, it alleviates me in reading content as strong as that.

Constructive criticism can be good, but views shouldnt deflect a state of mind. Surely it is in the education you seem to have recieved that brings out the strength in the bars.

Its a contradicting shame what many rappers run they mouths off about. I saw a couple of rappers on fox news debating with a high school head teacher, and it sickened me the way the rappers were disrespecting the headteacher of over a thousand kids! what kind of thing is that for the kids of that school or any school to see.

The rappers (forgotten ther names) were tearing into the man, tryn to ridicule him, and just going all out on the guy, without letting him speak, whilst the fox news presenter was watching and encouraging all of them! talk about divide conqueor! Whereabouts are you glasscut?
I am here no doubt as far  as "murdaH" your a "vanishing point" and I am looking past you peace.
 
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I am here no doubt as far  as "murdaH" your a "vanishing point" and I am looking past you peace.
 

alright man, but you're still a child you cannot accept criticism well.
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The history of rap music, or hip-hop music, is composed of a series of rapid development phases that have all culminated in the popular rap versions of today. Before rap music took off in the 1990s, it was predominantly referred to as disco rap in the late 1970s. The three rappers who had a hand in coining the term “rap music” were DJ Hollywood, Lovebug Starski, and Keith Cowboy, the last one being officially credited with the term hip-hop. Rap music original began with improvisations and freestyle singing to add an element of unpredictability to the songs in parties and other gatherings. Even in the 1960s to 1970s, the initial elements of rap music where already sown in urban subcultures particularly in New York City where adhoc performances in the streets led to a coalescing of influences in the wake of the Civil Rights era. Like the iPhone 5 release date, it had a slow and steady rise building into an explosion of creativity and style that has made it into what it has become today.

At this very early stage of rap development, it was particularly tied to emcee-ing more than it was associated to any specific song. It predominantly tied songs together as an adlib in between. It was born out of the creative inputs of DJs who had to work with self-imposed musical constraints such as the 4/4 time beat and sampling or sequencing sections of other songs to create a smooth flow of uninterrupted musical stimuli. These were eventually married with electronic equipment such as drums and synthesizers, and ultimate melodies to give it that bite and identity. In a sense, rap music artists were basically like a video game designer who had to figure out each artistic component at every turn until it developed into a more coherent musical genre that became the rap music we know today.

The first recorded version of rap music came alive in the early 1980s when DJs decided to make records out of their freestyle MCing. This necessitated the documentation of song lyrics so they do not change during each and every rendition. The age of the stromanbieter for rap music was gone paving the way for more organized chaos. Still, the freestyle and improvisation element remained a part of many DJ interludes as the song goes through certain sections that did not require too much rap singing.

Likewise, as a consequence of the hip-hop records, the influence of rap began to spread faster than ever before. Artists no longer had to travel far to get their music heard. Now, records from New York City and Philadelphia can be reproduced and transported to cities like Los Angeles, New Orleans, Dallas, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Seattle among others for people to appreciate and enjoy. This was primarily the reason for rap music’s rapid growth. Like Christmas mini lights, cities formed the nodes through which rap music would spread to other parts of the country. From small beginnings to grand achievements, the birth certificate translation to true stardom took a matter of years for rap music to be realized. Since then, its take-off and rise has been meteoric.

In this regard, it is almost impossible to talk about rap music but not discuss the golden age of rap. This was the era from the late 1980s to the mid 1990s when rap grew at an astounding rate fueled by the creative contributions of many artists from all over the continental United States and in many parts of the world. The primary trait of the Golden Age or Rap was that it was an almost unbroken wave of transformative music with every single pushing the boundaries of the genre. From this age and in the succeeding Gansta Rap age came names like Run-D.M.C., Dr. Dre, Ice T, MC Hammer, The Wu-tang Clan, Snoop Dogg, and The Notorious B.I.G. among others. The list of names can virtually fill a Sharepoint Hive without any problems.

According to social studies published in 2005, teenagers and children are more familiar with hip-hop and rap music more than any other musical genre. Up to 65% of all children from ages 8 to 18 hear hip-hop music on a daily basis, making it their routinary keratin hair treatment session, almost to the point that it has become an intrinsic part of their lives. With the diversification of the genre to include the more stylish R&B or rhythm and blues, it is not difficult to explain how rap music has continued to pervade radio station, TV and movie song line-ups. The marriage of rap and jazz which paved the way for R&B is itself a phenomenon that warrants all sorts of social analysis.

And with its very strong following, it is safe to say that rap music is here to stay. Years from now, when you open your TV on a bright Saturday morning, there’s a big chance you would be watching the next stage in the evolution of rap music, and there’s an even better chance you would be dancing or singing to that tune.

Immortal Technique Rapper Biography

Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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