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« on: November 29, 2007, 11:39:09 AM »

...is a bitch. it's amazing how angry people get when they hear someone close to them has attempted/committed it. is the act of suicide ever justifiable? put the religious bullshit aside. so far, I've only ecnountered one suicide, and that was an old classmate in middle school.
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2007, 11:43:52 AM »

i've seen a couple of "suicide" attempts, where it's been skinny gothic white kids that all survived.

imo suicide isn't justifiable, i say it is the easy way out.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 12:04:42 PM »

i wish half the people on these boards would just kill themselves.  nah just playin..or am i?

i've known a handful of people who tried killing themselves, but from what i can care to remember, only one actually followed through.  why?  because he was the only asshole who couldnt take some girl ditching his corny ass and actually had access to a shotgun his father fucking bought him.  nice move, dad.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 12:16:14 PM »

speaking for my classmate, I'm sure he was mentally unbalanced. but then again, everyone is who tries to take their own life. reason he did it was because he was worried about his future. why the hell he was thinking about that at such an early age is beyond me.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2007, 12:23:18 PM »

i've met 2 people who later on killed themselves at a later stage in life due to them being scared of what other people would do to them/their family.
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2007, 12:31:08 PM »

I think it's ridiculous when people judge suicides.  It's their life to do with as they please.  Suicide is always justifiable.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2007, 12:38:53 PM »

I think it's ridiculous when people judge suicides.  It's their life to do with as they please.  Suicide is always justifiable.

not when they owe you money or they decide to jump in front of the train before yours and you're stuck at the station along with hundreds if not thousands of other people waiting for the mess to get cleaned up.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2007, 12:46:28 PM »

not when they owe you money or they decide to jump in front of the train before yours and you're stuck at the station along with hundreds if not thousands of other people waiting for the mess to get cleaned up.

Yes it is.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2007, 12:51:02 PM »

Yes it is.

no, thats just being really fucking selfish to the point of being rude to random ass people.  by your definition, i can go to your house and start clipping my toenails in your mouth because, well, its my life and i do as i please so that makes it justifiable.
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2007, 01:13:24 PM »

I think it's ridiculous when people judge suicides.  It's their life to do with as they please.  Suicide is always justifiable.

I agree 100%.

To me it seems obvious that whoever is calling suicide an "easy way out" has never been in a situation like people who comitted suicide or tried to do so.

betoAYAK, is it selfish to end your life, when all you are doing is making the people around you worry constantly, do everything for you because you are not able to do it yourself, don't understand you, are horrified by the pain you are going through for years and years? When you are 100% certain that your existance is doing more damage than help? When the pain you would cause by suicide is nothing compared to the pain you cause by being the way you are and living with the illnesses you have?
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2007, 01:24:53 PM »

I agree 100%.

To me it seems obvious that whoever is calling suicide an "easy way out" has never been in a situation like people who comitted suicide or tried to do so.


i have not been in it myself, but i have seen a very close friend turn suicidal because of a series of bad things that had happend in his life.
      i do say it is the easy way out, but i don't say that if my life has taken a turn for the worse and everyting in my life turns shitty i won't be tempted.
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2007, 01:31:12 PM »

I agree 100%.

To me it seems obvious that whoever is calling suicide an "easy way out" has never been in a situation like people who comitted suicide or tried to do so.

betoAYAK, is it selfish to end your life, when all you are doing is making the people around you worry constantly, do everything for you because you are not able to do it yourself, don't understand you, are horrified by the pain you are going through for years and years? When you are 100% certain that your existance is doing more damage than help? When the pain you would cause by suicide is nothing compared to the pain you cause by being the way you are and living with the illnesses you have?

you're talking about certain circumstances which if you examine the topic further are rare.  you want to kill yourself, fine. just dont get a bunch of random people and tax money involved.  thats my point. 

one other thing, the shit about suffering and what not...motherfuckers have eaten shit (no allusions to 2girls1cup, i assure you murdah) to survive while being enslaved and having everything taken from them from material possessions to family members and they still had the cojones to keep on living and doing the right thing. courage in the face of adversity is a virtue, giving up is not.  of course there are exceptions, but thats not what i'm talking about here.
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2007, 01:39:14 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2007, 01:55:12 PM »

Until you have actually been suicidal you cannot fully relate to what they are feeling.

Most people that are suicidal are not looking for a way out but are just extremely irrational at the time and cannot see any light at the end of the tunnel.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2007, 01:59:48 PM »

Until you have actually been suicidal you cannot fully relate to what they are feeling.

Most people that are suicidal are not looking for a way out but are just extremely irrational at the time and cannot see any light at the end of the tunnel.

thats great and all, but as long as that tunnel isnt the tunnel to get into manhattan by new jersey transit or amtrak, it doesnt really matter if someone here can fully relate to a suicidal motherfucker.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2007, 02:11:36 PM »

Yes, I also agree with piercehawkeye45.

i have not been in it myself, but i have seen a very close friend turn suicidal because of a series of bad things that had happend in his life.
      i do say it is the easy way out, but i don't say that if my life has taken a turn for the worse and everyting in my life turns shitty i won't be tempted.

Suicide is not easy. Suicide means overcoming huge fears and pain. Most of the time, accepting status quo and staying alive in miserable conditions is easier.

you're talking about certain circumstances which if you examine the topic further are rare.  you want to kill yourself, fine. just dont get a bunch of random people and tax money involved.  thats my point.

They may not be as rare as you think. Even people who suffer from great depressions for example are often able to perfectly hide that from everybody else. People who are viewed the happiest and strongest among friends can be the most fucked up ones as soon as the mask drops. Trust me, it's not rare. I know a lot of suicidal people who have perfectly justifyable and especially understandbale reasons for being it - even if they may be rich/popular/beautiful/whatever other superficial happiness factor you can imagine.
And what does involve radnom people mean? And tax money? I think a lot of people who commit suicide are "cheaper" for the state than if you would continue living off healthcare and whatnot.

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one other thing, the shit about suffering and what not...motherfuckers have eaten shit (no allusions to 2girls1cup, i assure you murdah) to survive while being enslaved and having everything taken from them from material possessions to family members and they still had the cojones to keep on living and doing the right thing. courage in the face of adversity is a virtue, giving up is not.  of course there are exceptions, but thats not what i'm talking about here.

What you say makes sense to those who don't have to go through what suicidal people do. You have to realise that in circumstances material values don't mean shit.
I think (but I don't have sources to back it up at the moment) it's statistically proven that there are far more suicide cases in "rich" countries than in not so developed ones. That's what makes me believe that a lot of that lack of energy for life that we talk about here may be directly connected to wealth, to a lack of purpose, whatever.

Also, keep in mind that clinical depression for example (a frequent reason of suicide) is a psychiatric disorder. A medical condition. Nobody who suffers from is to blame for it. It's not their "fault" or anything that they have to live through the horror and unbearable pain.

If you don't experience it - don't tell anybody who does to "keep living" and "do the right thing" (what is that anyway) just because you think that others have it worse and therefore it's a cowardly thing to do when you escape. Even you think you can imagine what it is like to suffer from those disorders - you really don't, you probably have no idea.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2007, 02:26:53 PM »

Yes, I also agree with piercehawkeye45.

Suicide is not easy. Suicide means overcoming huge fears and pain. Most of the time, accepting status quo and staying alive in miserable conditions is easier.

They may not be as rare as you think. Even people who suffer from great depressions for example are often able to perfectly hide that from everybody else. People who are viewed the happiest and strongest among friends can be the most fucked up ones as soon as the mask drops. Trust me, it's not rare. I know a lot of suicidal people who have perfectly justifyable and especially understandbale reasons for being it - even if they may be rich/popular/beautiful/whatever other superficial happiness factor you can imagine.
And what does involve radnom people mean? And tax money? I think a lot of people who commit suicide are "cheaper" for the state than if you would continue living off healthcare and whatnot.

What you say makes sense to those who don't have to go through what suicidal people do. You have to realise that in circumstances material values don't mean shit.
I think (but I don't have sources to back it up at the moment) it's statistically proven that there are far more suicide cases in "rich" countries than in not so developed ones. That's what makes me believe that a lot of that lack of energy for life that we talk about here may be directly connected to wealth, to a lack of purpose, whatever.

Also, keep in mind that clinical depression for example (a frequent reason of suicide) is a psychiatric disorder. A medical condition. Nobody who suffers from is to blame for it. It's not their "fault" or anything that they have to live through the horror and unbearable pain.

If you don't experience it - don't tell anybody who does to "keep living" and "do the right thing" (what is that anyway) just because you think that others have it worse and therefore it's a cowardly thing to do when you escape. Even you think you can imagine what it is like to suffer from those disorders - you really don't, you probably have no idea.

when i meant lose everything, i mean lose everything, not material things.  i was talking about people that lived through holocausts and ethnic cleansing.  to me its funny that the richer you are, it almost seems like the more likely you'll commit suicide.  i know thats not true, but there is some correlation with wealth and suicide. 

roughly every month theres at least one suicide by train on the line i used to take when i lived in nj.  most of the time they were junkies and most of the time they did it right before rush hour. there is no mental illness that tells all these people to kill themselves at that time and in that way.  those people are just douches.  if you shoot yourself in the head at home, thats a different type of douche.  but i wont be mad at you for doing that.
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2007, 03:06:33 PM »

heres how i see the whole thing (yes ive been suicidal before, and ive tried to take my life 3 times).
Those who criticise and say "its the easy way out" know nothing. At times, it hurts so much to even think about killing yourself. When you do it, im sure its easy, but leading up to it can be the hardest thing you'll ever have to deal with.

I cannot describe the pain one feels when they know (or think) that they are going through it. Its greater then any physical pain you can imagine. The cutting (ive tried to OD twice, cut once) doesnt feel like anything. that pain doesnt exist when youre feeling like dying.

Justifiable...im with MurdaH, it's their life, they can do what they want...but...on the other hand, ignorant people get angry and say "they hurt us more". Which is bullshit. Until you go through it, you dont know the pain
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2007, 04:01:11 PM »

I think this song's appropriate for this thread. B.I.G.'s "suicidal thoughts"
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anyway, I agree that it's stupid when people say it's the easy way out. when you're desperate, you're capable of anything.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2007, 04:37:12 PM »

heres how i see the whole thing (yes ive been suicidal before, and ive tried to take my life 3 times).

you dont say!

nah, totally playin, man.  i was a little idiot who thought about it back in the day too but didnt follow through.  i think what people say by 'the easy way out' is not doing the act itself, but the fact that you escape responsibility for your actions instead of trying to correct what's wrong, which 99% of the time is correctable with effort, COURAGE, and patience.
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Immortal Technique Rapper Biography

Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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