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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2007, 05:08:08 PM »

Ok, im gonna put my input into this because I think I should.

I'll start with something I saw on a show ages ago. A man commited suicide by stepping in front of a lorry. Unfortunetly for him, he survived. When asked when told that it must have hurt like hell to step infront of a lorry and get hit, the mans response was, "The pain of getting hit by the lorry was nowhere near as painful as the reasons I did it"

Its really true. You will never understand why a person would be in so much pain to want to kill themselves until you have been there yourself. And even then it's hard to judge as noone shares the same pains or has the same views on the pains which are similar.

I've known many genuinely suicidal people. I still do know them - some of my closest friends are suicidal and yes its painful but I know that the pain I feel for them being like that isnt anywhere close to the pain they go through. And despite what some have said, not every problem can be solved. Its just a matter of distinguishing whether that problem is actually big or not. People who genuinely want to commit suicide (im not talking the attention ones) dont do so overnight. It takes years to come to that. Its not something like, "oh I have a little problem, I think I'll just kill myself to be rid of it" - its something which is with you for a very long time and doesnt show any sign of change in the entire time you've tried to deal with it. Its the problems which dont get fixed which are the one's to bring you there. Yes, in the far far distance theres a chance that it may get resolved somehow, but after being the same for soooo many years (and it really does take years to make a final decision on this) you dont think of that. You dont see the little blotch of light. You see going back to the same corner you sit in everyday and crying and hurting yourself in other ways - mentally, emotionally, even physically - and you dont see any change of this pattern. Of course, it helps when those around you love you and try to help and be there for you to talk to whenever you need to - but imagine if you also didnt feel you had those people at all because all they did was cause you more pain.

On the whole, people who commit genuinely commit suicide are NOT just trying to get pity from you or attention and whatnot. Theyre people who have been depressed for a long long time.

Beto, really. We're friends and all but have some respect. Wow so a train is a little late. Big deal. Put yourself in the persons shoes.

And yes, I've had two cousins kill themselves by jumping in front of trains. Its not an easy thing to do and certainly not an easy decision to make but its a way you feel it'll gaurantee death. And you cant backout once you start. It takes fucking courage to do that!
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2007, 05:18:27 PM »

you dont say!

nah, totally playin, man.  i was a little idiot who thought about it back in the day too but didnt follow through.  i think what people say by 'the easy way out' is not doing the act itself, but the fact that you escape responsibility for your actions instead of trying to correct what's wrong, which 99% of the time is correctable with effort, COURAGE, and patience.

but, the pain is too overwhelming for your head to go "hey, it will get better in 5 years" no, you dont want to hear that, you want to hear "this will all be over, and i dont have to sit through this bullshit" and yea it might be a way of escaping responsibility, but, the person even feels that weight load on them. like i said, it really is tough to explain, and choosing to go through with it is one the hardest decisions. Because you need to make the choice about never seeing your world again. And me, stupidly, made that choice three times....although i failed....hm...i suck at dying too Sad

On the whole, people who commit genuinely commit suicide are NOT just trying to get pity from you or attention and whatnot. Theyre people who have been depressed for a long long time.

The ones trying to get pity are the ones that say to you almost everyday "im gonna kill myself, life isnt worth it, blah blah blah"

Beto, really. We're friends and all but have some respect. Wow so a train is a little late. Big deal. Put yourself in the persons shoes.

i never saw the reason to step in front of a train. To me, an excess of tylenol was my way. And when that failed a second time, i took to a huge slice in my wrist...no one told me to go vertical tho, so all i have is a big scar...

idk, if i were to do it now, id prolly just use a gun, 95% sure chance that i'd die....but yea, im not  one too fond of gory deaths....plus i wouldnt wanna ruin beto's day

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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2007, 05:25:54 PM »

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its hard to distinguish which are for attention and which are not so all have to be treated very seriously BUT I think (speaking as an outsider and not trying to attack you) that you didnt actually want to die. If you did, you wouldnt have used those methods. Im guessing you were relatively young and didnt understand the depression you were going through and thought that it seems the obvious thing to do if you are depressed. A person who genuinely wants to die (my two cousins are an example) will use a method they truly believe is undoubtedly 100% gauranteed to kill them.
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2007, 05:44:54 PM »

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its hard to distinguish which are for attention and which are not so all have to be treated very seriously BUT I think (speaking as an outsider and not trying to attack you) that you didnt actually want to die. If you did, you wouldnt have used those methods. Im guessing you were relatively young and didnt understand the depression you were going through and thought that it seems the obvious thing to do if you are depressed. A person who genuinely wants to die (my two cousins are an example) will use a method they truly believe is undoubtedly 100% gauranteed to kill them.

its understandable. Im not even sure if i wanted to die or not...my memory was shot after the ODs, but when i cut, idk, i think i was hoping it would kill me. like, i did it not knowing the outcome, but hoping it would be death. But seriously, had i known it was better to run vertical as opposed to horizontal, i would have done it that way...
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2007, 05:47:40 PM »

lol u live and u learn.

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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2007, 06:36:13 PM »

And despite what some have said, not every problem can be solved. Its just a matter of distinguishing whether that problem is actually big or not. People who genuinely want to commit suicide (im not talking the attention ones) dont do so overnight. It takes years to come to that. Its not something like, "oh I have a little problem, I think I'll just kill myself to be rid of it" - its something which is with you for a very long time and doesnt show any sign of change in the entire time you've tried to deal with it. Its the problems which dont get fixed which are the one's to bring you there. Yes, in the far far distance theres a chance that it may get resolved somehow, but after being the same for soooo many years (and it really does take years to make a final decision on this) you dont think of that. You dont see the little blotch of light.

I know that's gotta be true. the kid at my school thought about it for months before he finally did it. it's one thing for an adult to commit suicide, but when a kid does it, it's fucking brutal. and he actually did say "I'm gonna kill myself" on a daily basis, so he sure as hell wasn't bluffing. was he looking for attention/help? maybe.
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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2007, 06:37:08 PM »

I know that's gotta be true. the kid at my school thought about it for months before he finally did it. it's one thing for an adult to commit suicide, but when a kid does it, it's fucking brutal. and he actually did say "I'm gonna kill myself" on a daily basis, so he sure as hell wasn't bluffing. was he looking for attention/help? maybe.

did you do anything when he said these threats?
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2007, 07:04:40 PM »

did you do anything when he said these threats?

he said it to his best friend, not me. that's where all the information about his personal problems and suicidal thoughts came from. everybody kept interrogating his best friend after the suicide, getting as much information out of him as possible. needless to say, he didn't tell anyone about his friend's suicidal tendencies because he thought he'd get pissed at him, which he would have, since he told him not to tell anybody.

had he told the counselor, who knows, maybe the kid would've been saved. but he seemed beyond repair at that point.
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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2007, 07:09:39 PM »

he said it to his best friend, not me. that's where all the information about his personal problems and suicidal thoughts came from. everybody kept interrogating his best friend after the suicide, getting as much information out of him as possible. needless to say, he didn't tell anyone about his friend's suicidal tendencies because he thought he'd get pissed at him, which he would have, since he told him not to tell anybody.

had he told the counselor, who knows, maybe the kid would've been saved. but he seemed beyond repair at that point.

no ones beyond repair...and i got pissed when people said shit too, but, it saved me a few times. Honestly, no matter how mad they are, they will come around...i wish the people who killed themselves around me had told me...
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« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2007, 07:10:25 PM »

And yes, I've had two cousins kill themselves by jumping in front of trains. Its not an easy thing to do and certainly not an easy decision to make but its a way you feel it'll gaurantee death. And you cant backout once you start. It takes fucking courage to do that!

no, thats not courage.  thats being rash, mentally ill, and/or fanatical.  again, my point is that yes, it sucks to be mentally ill or depressed enough to follow through with committing suicide but by definition, suicide is a selfish act.  why be even more selfish and cause havoc to a bunch of strangers?  have some decency! lol
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« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2007, 07:32:55 PM »

it's a selfish act, no doubt, but you have to admit, it takes a lot of courage to actually decide to put an end to your entire fucking EXISTENCE!
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« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2007, 07:37:10 PM »

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its hard to distinguish which are for attention and which are not so all have to be treated very seriously BUT I think (speaking as an outsider and not trying to attack you) that you didnt actually want to die. If you did, you wouldnt have used those methods. Im guessing you were relatively young and didnt understand the depression you were going through and thought that it seems the obvious thing to do if you are depressed. A person who genuinely wants to die (my two cousins are an example) will use a method they truly believe is undoubtedly 100% gauranteed to kill them.

That's not necessarily true. Research into suicide shows that women attempt suicide more than men but more men die from suicide than women. This is because men tend to choose more lethal means whereas women try to do it in a "nicer" manner. I don't think this says that one group is more depressed than the other but rather just illustrate how strongly we've been socialised to behave (and even die) in a certain way.

I'm also curious about your two cousins that you mention. If you don't mind me asking, did they know each other? (i.e. from the same side of your family?) The reason I ask this is because it's been proven that knowing someone who committed suicide hugely increases the chance of a person doing the same thing. This is also why suicides are very rarely reported on the news because it may be enough to tip someone who is already considering it over the edge.

Suicide is also viewed differently in different cultures. In some areas, it is  really common and done for reasons some of us may consider petty or unimportant. I don't know anyway personally who has gone through with it although I did have a friend who was very depressed but luckily, got better with treatment. One of the saddest stories I've heard though happened to a friend of a friend of mine when I was in 10th grade. The guy was in his early 20s and worked in a store which sold electrical appliances and the like. He somehow managed to steal products from his  work, get them to his friends and they would sell them. After a few months, his boss found out and reported it to the police. He was charged with a few different things and had to go to court. He was lucky enough to be able to post bail and was released pending his proper trial.  His friends drove him home from court and in the car he looked extremely upset and was worried sick about what he would say to his parents and that he would make them ashamed of him. They drove on to a bridge (the biggest in the state) and he asked his friends to stop the car because he was feeling sick and wanted to get out. His friend resisted the first time, mainly because it's illegal to walk on that bridge, but the  guy insisted so his friend stopped the car. He got out and in a matter of seconds, climbed over the railing and jumped off. This was done with his friends about 2 feet away. Nonetheless, his parents were extremely distraught after the incident and said that while they may have been upset at him, they would have supported him through it. Even though I didn't know the guy that died, this stayed with me for a really long time.

Someone posted above about suicide being more common in richer countries. I think this is because we've become so materialistic and 'busy' in other areas that we don't talk to each other as much as we should. I really think a lot these incidents wouldn't have happened if we communicated more openly with each other. I feel really morbid after typing all this
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« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2007, 07:53:41 PM »

it's a selfish act, no doubt, but you have to admit, it takes a lot of courage to actually decide to put an end to your entire fucking EXISTENCE!

no, that doesnt take courage. that takes fanaticism. the only time it takes courage is if you do it to save others' lives. 
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« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2007, 07:55:44 PM »

Huh? What's your definition courage? To me, in most cases it's definitely a very courageous act.
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« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2007, 07:57:30 PM »

I really think a lot these incidents wouldn't have happened if we communicated more openly with each other.

true. but sometimes that's not enough. when you got people saying "I'm gonna kill myself because I can't get a job" or "my career isn't going well," how do you respond to that? a therapist can't do much. it's simply a personal struggle.
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« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2007, 08:00:46 PM »

Huh? What's your definition courage? To me, in most cases it's definitely a very courageous act.

im with knight. It takes some sort of heart to be able to take a life in general (unless its a stupid situation). To take your own takes more
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Courage, also known as bravery and fortitude, is the ability to confront fear, pain, danger, uncertainty or intimidation.

as far as i know, suicide has fear (what will happen), Pain (its gonna hurt), danger (well, youre dying so youre gonna face danger), uncertainty (who knows, you might go to "hell") and...idk about intimidation.
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« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2007, 08:33:58 PM »

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1 was a young girl - they had a rail line passing by their house in Germany so she did it. The other was her mother some months later who couldnt deal with the pain of losing her child and cos she kept thinking it was her fault the daughter did it. Also train.

Really though, if you think it isnt courageous to do so, you dont understand much about suicide and the minds of those who do it. I mean, for you it may not be a thing of courage but think about these people who dont have the energy or will to go on - they courageously get up and make that final decision. It takes a lot.
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« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2007, 08:39:16 PM »

I'm not sure if the second part is directed to me but I don't think I said anything about it being courageous or not. I was just curious because, as I mentioned, it's been proven that many people who go through with it know someone else who did, and a lot of the time the same methods are used.
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At this very early stage of rap development, it was particularly tied to emcee-ing more than it was associated to any specific song. It predominantly tied songs together as an adlib in between. It was born out of the creative inputs of DJs who had to work with self-imposed musical constraints such as the 4/4 time beat and sampling or sequencing sections of other songs to create a smooth flow of uninterrupted musical stimuli. These were eventually married with electronic equipment such as drums and synthesizers, and ultimate melodies to give it that bite and identity. In a sense, rap music artists were basically like a video game designer who had to figure out each artistic component at every turn until it developed into a more coherent musical genre that became the rap music we know today.

The first recorded version of rap music came alive in the early 1980s when DJs decided to make records out of their freestyle MCing. This necessitated the documentation of song lyrics so they do not change during each and every rendition. The age of the stromanbieter for rap music was gone paving the way for more organized chaos. Still, the freestyle and improvisation element remained a part of many DJ interludes as the song goes through certain sections that did not require too much rap singing.

Likewise, as a consequence of the hip-hop records, the influence of rap began to spread faster than ever before. Artists no longer had to travel far to get their music heard. Now, records from New York City and Philadelphia can be reproduced and transported to cities like Los Angeles, New Orleans, Dallas, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Seattle among others for people to appreciate and enjoy. This was primarily the reason for rap music’s rapid growth. Like Christmas mini lights, cities formed the nodes through which rap music would spread to other parts of the country. From small beginnings to grand achievements, the birth certificate translation to true stardom took a matter of years for rap music to be realized. Since then, its take-off and rise has been meteoric.

In this regard, it is almost impossible to talk about rap music but not discuss the golden age of rap. This was the era from the late 1980s to the mid 1990s when rap grew at an astounding rate fueled by the creative contributions of many artists from all over the continental United States and in many parts of the world. The primary trait of the Golden Age or Rap was that it was an almost unbroken wave of transformative music with every single pushing the boundaries of the genre. From this age and in the succeeding Gansta Rap age came names like Run-D.M.C., Dr. Dre, Ice T, MC Hammer, The Wu-tang Clan, Snoop Dogg, and The Notorious B.I.G. among others. The list of names can virtually fill a Sharepoint Hive without any problems.

According to social studies published in 2005, teenagers and children are more familiar with hip-hop and rap music more than any other musical genre. Up to 65% of all children from ages 8 to 18 hear hip-hop music on a daily basis, making it their routinary keratin hair treatment session, almost to the point that it has become an intrinsic part of their lives. With the diversification of the genre to include the more stylish R&B or rhythm and blues, it is not difficult to explain how rap music has continued to pervade radio station, TV and movie song line-ups. The marriage of rap and jazz which paved the way for R&B is itself a phenomenon that warrants all sorts of social analysis.

And with its very strong following, it is safe to say that rap music is here to stay. Years from now, when you open your TV on a bright Saturday morning, there’s a big chance you would be watching the next stage in the evolution of rap music, and there’s an even better chance you would be dancing or singing to that tune.

Immortal Technique Rapper Biography

Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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