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« on: December 01, 2007, 08:48:28 PM »

This is sort of off the cuff and is the result of a recent debate about the dichotomy of Christianity and capitalism.

I guess a good place to start is with scripture since it is the only thing that supports my contention that capitalism and Christianity are a bit like oil and water, or maybe vinegar and water.

Exodus 22: 24-25, "If you lend money to one of your poor neighbors among my people, you shall not act like an extortioner toward him by demanding interest from him." This prohibition is repeated 22 times in the Old Testament.

Proverbs 28:8 says, "He who increases his wealth by interest and overcharge amasses it for someone else who will bestow it on the poor."

Psalm 15 says, "Yahweh, who can find a home in your tent, who can dwell on your holy mountain? Whoever lives blamelessly, who acts uprightly, who speaks the truth from the heart, ... who asks no interest on loans, who takes no bribe to harm the innocent. No one who so acts can ever be shaken."

Deuteronomy 15:1-11 orders the cancellation of all debts at the end of every seventh year. And it cautions against refusing to lend to one in need because this time is near. So your loan will never be repaid to you. So what? The Lord will take care of you. But if you refuse one in need, the Lord will hold you "guilty of sin." "I command you to open your hand to your countrymen who are poor and needy." Deuteronomy 24: 19-21 establishes gleaners rights for "the alien, the fatherless, and the widow."

James 5:1 "Next a word to you who are rich. Weep and wail over the miserable fate overtaking you: your riches ... will be evidence against you and consume your flesh like fire. ... You have lived on the land in wanton luxury, gorging yourselves — and on the day appointed for your slaughter."

Jesus : Matthew 19: 21-24: "If you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me. ... Amen, I say to you, it will be hard for one who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for one who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."


Ok, so all of that said, and you can also add the teachings of Jesus about kindness, compassion and acceptence and it muddies the waters a little more. I guess I am wondering how on earth a Christian can support a capitalist system, when that system is based on greed and gluttony? How does one sleep at night knowing that the resources they use prevent another from having those resources?       

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2007, 01:47:33 AM »

"The Bible truly is one of the funniest books I've ever read. It was written thousands of years ago, when people were even dumber than they are today"  - David Cross

the guys who wrote those particular lines must have been poor, pissed off poets.
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2007, 06:57:20 AM »

If those were God's words, I'd believe in him almost unconditionally. It's pretty clear that Capitalism has a parasitic relationship with the economy worldwide.

Ron Paul may not understand this, probably, because he injects unmodified and virulent viral strain into his body. That may explain his strong sense resilience vs. Capitalism. I too, wanted to do that, but figured out that I'm clearly not Ron Paul. 
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2007, 03:33:33 PM »

I don't know much about the relation but I believe the protestant faith is highly capitalistic and they were the first people to pilgrimage to the New World.
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2007, 03:38:36 PM »

Correction..the first 'white' people to travel to the already existing world of the Native Americans and Caribbeans with sporadic pockets of Afrikans.   Or do you think Afrikans only traveled to the West on slave ships?   
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2007, 11:41:43 PM »

Chinese were here too.  Or do you doubt that?
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2007, 11:47:32 PM »

Not at all.  The Chinese have always been advanced, I just dont have too much information on that.
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2007, 11:48:06 PM »

Also, those "African"-looking Olmecs are indigenous. All humans ancestors are tropically adapted with similar physical characteristics as blacks. There exists many populations outside Africa who still maintain these traits.

These people who played a role in the formation of mother civilizations in the Americas are probably more related to Australian aboriginals (who maintain a similar phenotype). Both populations are more related to Asians than Africans.

PS: Just an additional point.

PPS: The Chinese at that time had the most powerful navy too. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2007, 11:52:25 PM »

Hold up a second...where is the birthplace of modern man again?? 





Just checking....
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2007, 12:11:28 AM »

Hold up a second...where is the birthplace of modern man again?? 





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It's Africa. But note, I'm dealing with MOST RECENT COMMON ANCESTOR. Genetic divergence while occurring in Africa further maximized as those left. Higher isolation and what not. These populations that appear in the Americas belong in the same population that became the Chinese. Hell, I look pretty African myself, despite Asian origin.

Many throughout wouldn't associate with blackness even if featuring high level (nearly 100%) of recent Black African ancestry (vs. virtually 0% in Aussie Koori folks) in Tunisians patrilineally. The levels are high in Italy too (>20%) patrilineally, but regardless, the mainstream will likely not associate with Africaness even if told all humans were.

For that reason, I'd be dangerous to accept Afrocentric work unless peer-reviewed. I've read far-fetched text which would suggest that East Asian civilization was founded by modern Africans. Shocked
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2007, 12:17:57 AM »

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2007, 12:24:18 AM »

Thank you. 


Are you not your mother's child? 

Is your child not the grandchild of your mother?

Is your child's child not the greatgrandchild of your mother?   



Do you see where I am going with this? 
You're telling me what I already know. Lineages will always remain, hence even non-"African" looking populations with significant African lineages still exist.

That, however, in reality does not matter. The point is these groups prefer to view themselves as a homogeneous groups. Even though, in the end, we're all just African derivatives.

The world would be quite different if the single-origin hypothesis and genetics were taken into account. However most fall under the intellectual realm, with genetics have strong application in Medicine, etc.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2007, 12:35:48 AM »

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The point is these groups prefer to view themselves as a homogeneous groups. Even though, in the end, we're all just African derivatives.


This is why I claim Afrika as my mama, not because I neccessarily look like one or whether I prefer it or not; I am, you are, we all are.   If we left it up to what we prefer as opposed to what it is, hell I won't be here in the flesh.   I will be traveling thru the astral plane at the speed of thought.

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This reluctance I supposed is based off the predominant instilled worldview of the racist minority who is somehow now in the cat bird seat sitting relatively pretty, not based on merit or respect but by brute force and technology.

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However most fall under the intellectual realm, with genetics have strong application in Medicine, etc.


HUH??  You always lose me somehow...normally, I would accept responsibilty for my own intellectual shortcomings but not in this instance.... Wink

 



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This is why I claim Afrika as my mama, not because I neccessarily look like one or whether I prefer it or not; I am, you are, we all are.   If we left it up to what we prefer as opposed to what it is, hell I won't be here in the flesh.   I will be traveling thru the astral plane at the speed of thought.
That is true, but in reality, most will not accept that. It's fucked, but that's reality.

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This reluctance I supposed is based off the predominant instilled worldview of the racist minority who is somehow now in the cat bird seat sitting relatively pretty, not based on merit or respect but by brute force and technology.
Yes, I haven't seen too many positive views regarding blacks on my side. I know that in the Arab World, Malaysia, etc, Black folks get a treatment resembling the US.
 
But even then, most would rather view themselves as homogenized groups. It's weird, but we hybrid African mutants will always seeing ourselves as islands for a while. That will eventually change as science becomes more mainstream, but we'll have to see.

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It is Medicine or Pharmaceutical chemistry that tends to apply genetics. Most in the mainstream couldn't care less. Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2007, 12:49:02 AM »

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We are mutants, because our genetic make up is modified from our parents. Plus random mutation. To suggest we're nothing but mutants or derivatives sounds fair. Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2007, 04:00:04 AM »

Re: the capitalist Christian thing, didn't the whole game change when Rome changed the laws on usury? Before then Christians couldn't charge usury (or interest) on loans, and I'm not sure but I think that's how the Jews were in a position to become so dominant in financial affairs such as banking. So once Rome changed that law, the floodgates were opened so to speak.

In other words, Capitalist Christians renounced part of their scriptures in order to become more powerful through financial gain. I think things like this - the high powers in the Christian church promoting capitalist expansion - had alot to do with Jesus' people losing their way.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism

is an interesting read on the subject, but take it with a few grains of salt.  Some parts are very generalized and extremely oversimplified.  I don't buy it.
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I doubt Capitalism is a Christian thing, but more of a empire thing or wealthy state thing.
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The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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