Somebody told me this once, "Feigning ignorance is an idiotic thing to do." But take note, I didn't call you an idiot, which I could have, but what I said suffices nonetheless. Furthermore, I don't care if you find my reasons valid or not; validation by you or anyone else is not required here. I can give two shits of which-- one I hand over to you directly the other is reserved for the next guy.
Ummm this started because you were whining about me not including your name when there was no proof of direct intention to exclude you. I forgot you were from Florida, I wasn't ignorant of the fact but I included the term "everybody from Florida" just in case I missed somebody which obviously I did or we wouldn't be having this discussion.
We all know better yet we still maintain positions for whatever reasons. Apparently, you seem to stick to yours quite well I see, as you go on ad naseum about some of my citations and sources of some of the information I post and somehow try to put me and keep me in the same camp as them. All the while never addressing the "meat" of the information presented. I already explained to you before why it is that I, at times, but not exclusively, cite this information but again, you feign ignorance.
I have addressed the "meat" of your posts in the past, they are too often associated with anti-communism orthodoxy. Not just your sources but the conspiracism within the posts reeks of white nationalist paranoia of international government agencies and organizations. On the other hand, often the information you cite doesn't even match the topic of your post such as in our recent talk when the topic is about "Malthusian eugenics" but instead decides to take time to try to make a conspiracist point that socialism is backed by the "U.S. elite". Another thing we need to ask to is why are you going directly to these sites for information if you don't believe in their core values. Sites that I go to are unapologetically leftist and I do not hide the fact that I am as well. You always try to paint the fact that you are not spreading an agenda when at times it seems quite clear that you are. You really can't blame us for pointing this out about you, if somebody was constantly citing posts from stormfront then obviously we would assume they are racist.
See this is part of the problem. You attempt to paint this picture of me that isn't wholy accurate. I post plenty of diverse information covering many areas. I use videos because of the medium here and the ability for me to do so. Videos also reveal much information, however, I leave it to the viewer to decode it. I can not change anyone but I can influence, and I try. I have areas I focus on but again not exclusively on the Federal Reserve, as you suggest. I have been studying and practicing much even before the wide use of the internet. I have received information from credible people via lectures, meetings, and books when you were still in grade school. You don't now my personal mentors or who I have studied under either. That why I say you don't know about the real world. You ain't been out there, I have. I can bet on that and I ain't a gambling man.
You post videos because they are often convienent rhetorical tools that do not cite sources or offer a medium of debate as easy as articles do. Not to say that documentaries aren't good for getting an inside-scoop at times or to offer visual evidence but they can not be considered to have a final say in a debate. You do post videos covering various areas and whenever I do post videos I won't hide the fact that the majority of them speak about corporate globalization while you know that you tend to emphasize the role of the Federal Reserve even if it isn't the majority of what you post.
Anyways, now lets get to your condascending point that you were getting information while I was still in grade school. 1) You don't know what I was doing in grade school, I've been doing the same thing I'm doing since I was 13. I've been looking up on information and reading for so long but if you want to speculate about my length of commitment or attachment to the "real world" to try to make it look like your point of view has more weight than mine then go ahead. I don't know if you've "been out there" or not but from the look of your posts even if you have been "out there" your mind was really far out there. 2) I am 19 but I know 15 year olds that are more committed and smarter than you but lets not use ageism as some sort of weapon because it can be used back.
I know this obviously opinions vary and mistakes are made. Many of mine have been in realtime while yours are just hypothetical or just barely getting your feet wet. But I overstand, I have had some ideals before reality showed me diffrently and I made practical adjustments when and where needed, yet remain idealistic with certain matters.
Haha in realtime? You have made large hypothetical errors, your viewpoint of the social structure is that only a few people in power are controlling events rather than looking at the system. You think these men are manipulating the system rather than merely playing out their position.
I'm going to assume that barely getting my feet wet means not believing in 9/11 or the Illuminati. I don't even know where to start on this but you definitely do not look at the basic principles of capitalism which will always be wage slavery and private property. The system is so pervasive in every aspect of life, capitalists only play their part. U.S. foreign policy intervenes and creates conflict in multiple global events for strategic and hegemonic purposes, which is how the conspiracists interpret "the elite are behind every global event". When you "connect the dots" you do so through various individuals acting as if these individuals didn't exist everything would be fine. Not correct, other individuals would have took their place in the power structure. I'm not suprised though since you are influenced by right-wing libertarianism which overemphasizes the individual and can't make a systematic look at anything.
Your analysis is often too oversimplistic, you want to make it look like Rockefeller and his descendants are the ultimate masters of the globe rather than just priviledged members of the ruling class.
I can call this for what it is, a "strawman" argument but I would rather tell you to STFU with your hypotheticals because as you said you REALLY can't comment because you REALLY don't know. This is not to suggest I know it all, far from it, but I do have perspective based on experience in many areas pertaining to social issues.
They were not strawman arguments, they were examples of how somebody can be familiar with reality but still be incorrect. I really don't know though huh? I guess you're an expert on my life experiences and all that but this is hilarious RMX. You have never pulled out this argument before but it seems like you're running short of counter-arguments so this "I know and you don't know" is your last resort. I'm still trying to find out how you are getting this considering I don't really relay too much about my personal life on this site. You are not really persuading me that I'm not right but continue to keep trying.
If you really did know you sure as hell don't let anybody else know. For all your talk at the moment you rarely ever spoke about everyday realities for poor people, just about 9/11 and "big brother" government that is currently affecting the white middle class.
P.S.-To JC, I do work.
You are knowledgable in many things especially class issues which I have learned from your posts. But like you said, we do not know it all and just because you don't acknowledge something or have direct tangible evidence does not mean it isn't worth considering. Many times evidence is presented and you still won't consider it and wanna attack segments of issues while ignoring others.
Believe it or not I think class is secondary to race in the U.S. regarding exploitation and oppression. However, JC reminded me that you are a petty-capitalist who was not too long ago defending capitalism. You are an active participant in the system who was actively defending while claiming we shouldn't be worried about wage slavery but about a hypothetical global government.
What is the social hierarchy and who is sitting on top of it? Attempts have been made here to disclose or just discuss it that but you attack the poster or segments of it while ignoring pertinent issues. I am sure that in time more will be revealed, it's already unraveling, but it might be too late by then and beyond the tipping point. We'll just have to wait and see.
Got to love what I call apocalypsism, the sky is not falling. Global capital is getting stronger but if you are talking about a global government it is not going to happen.
WRONG! That is all I will say to refute that but it shows how you attempt to characterize me, mostly via ignorance or the feigning of ignorance, either or it's WACK on your part, especially since you just suggested that I only focus on the Fed. Obviously, you have not read all my posts to make such a baseless statement. But whatever....
I'll say it again, you place a clear overemphasis on the Fed in matters of corporate globalization.
And now to address racism and my Afri-centric (not Afro, which I distinguish repeatedly) comment. I schooled JC the other night in chat (that is why he came out so hard in his post in this thread) about why it is important to work and develope this perspective, whether white or a person of color. Essentially we are all African, what happened in between then and now is more individual based but in essence we are all African. Once we acknowledge this fact, we can see past race and isolate the true culprit. It isn't a man's color, it is his mindset and his intentions. In this case, the overwhelming evidence suggests the European is responsible for the ills we NOW claim to fight, (racism, capitalsim, colonialism, etc) he just happens to be white but again it isn't about his hue. We have had others stray from the unwritten yet 'normal' moral code ( I use this loosely so dont get caught up on it) who were of other hues but overall and the greatest negative impact has been from the European.
I agree but disagree with your romanticizing and generalizing about Africa. You almost never speak about anti-imperialist struggles throughout the 20th century. I love how you act so arrogant as if you are some sort of teacher going around schooling people when you always complain that GOS is doing the same thing. You've done a complete 360 from your past paranoia of anybody who denied your "9/11 Truth", remember calling me and various others a pig or disinfo agent. Remember when you supported Investigator for regulating our speech and monitoring conversations in the chat. Plus I no longer hear you supporting capitalist entrepreneuralism as a solution for black people. But now you've suddenly become this whiny little kid when we go at you in debates and you have no historical recollection of any of this. It has not erased from anybody's memory.
The same European who controls all of our social systems and has deliberatley omitted, distorted, hidden, whitewashed, and plagarized the majority of the total sum of human civilization. (Relatively speaking, the European, who happens to be white, is a new comer to this world. He is the son of Africa, yet he deliberatley disrespects his Mama, my Mama, our Mama, do you follow?) The racist, European has stripped people (the majority) of their history, language, name, and religion and perverted exploited or stole what remained. He did this to more easily create a slave in his social system; to place himself on top via codifying his BS and have others co-sign either directly or indirectly. Is it not logical then, that if in reality we are all African, that this area needs to be restored and justice served? That we re-claim what is ours? But you don't wanna see that or refuse to see it. This inactivity by default continues to empower the racist, who uses his position of self-appointed power via violence and clever tactics (academia, science, social studies, etc). You lack awareness in this area because of your focus on other 'more important' matters and fear or reluctance, to say what you are...African in essence and origin. And to say that I think ALL whites are racists is toally unfounded and baseless slander. For this you get the 'bird.' But whatever....
I agree with half of it but Latin America has been wrecked by European imperialism for just as long as Africa, so while we need to direct attention to Africa it shouldn't recieve special attention compared to Latin America. Latin America had great kingdoms like Africa as well but I won't go into romanticizing them because they were mini-imperialist and brutal slave societies like many African kingdoms were before European imperialism came.
Now you are putting words in my mouth, I have never deemed something "more important" than this; in fact I've usually put an emphasis on imperialism and claimed it was more important to look at U.S. foreign policy than to focus on 9/11 or any other minute events.
Great, do the right thing and take it one step further, it is the next best logical thing to do and school them racist but you have to be schooled first, SON, especially since you are partially aware.
Haha ok, you don't know what I know about white supremacy and priviledge and its affects but way to be condascending with your assumed "overstanding" knowledge. I have made posts about it and debated in multiple posts about white priviledge so unless you've missed them then you really can't claim that I never speak about it. I'll post up my institutional racism thread when its done, you'll probably enjoy it. When I posted up that "hudsjifsf" thread yesterday I was just letting SanPatricios see it and I saw you were looking into it.
If it doesn't apply why mention it? And I do have my talents focused but you barely know what they are about nor do you seem to want to know either.
Like I said, all we know about each other is what we post on this board so that is all I can assume about what you are focused on. Unlike you who is making speculations about my personal experiences and claiming that your speculations somehow make me unattached to the "real world" while your self-claims make you correct and me incorrect. Neither of these make you correct in your viewpoint or in any debate RMX.
First 9-11:
http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075 The truth must be known, not that BS "Official Conspiracy Theory" mass propoganda that's been fed to us ALL. WAR is BUSINESS, bad business at that. You know enough about imperialism to figure that one out. Right in step with PNAC, etc...
When did I ever say I bought the official line? My stance has always been they either a) Let the attack happen when they knew it was going to come making them criminals and indirectly complicit b) directly ignored the threat making them criminally negligent or c) they displayed their ineptitude by lack of ability to stop the threat making them highly inefficient. I never took the completely innocent official line or the completely guilty "9/11 Truth" line. My larger stance has always been that this event was not worth all the effort and activism that is being directed towards it; there are much bigger foreign policy and domestic issues than 9/11.
Anyways this isn't a debate about 9/11, the Federal Reserve, or computer chips, I was bringing examples that you discussed but failed to show how they are as relevant or more relevant than the U.S. wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Somalia, the genocide in the Congo, the occupation of Palestine, mass hunger and starvation poverty throughout the world, socialism in Venezuela, etc.
Unless you think their goals are noble, I suggest you reconsider the true and ultimate culprit here. Connect the dots around the globe for a taste of their policies. They need to be exposed and abolished. Ask you buddy Chavez what he thinks about them and their sister agencies, IMF, et al, you might learn something.
The IMF/World Bank is responsible for their structural adjustment policies that have allowed U.S. economic imperialism over Latin American countries. This is why he opposes them. Check out my corporate globalization website I made a while back in my sig, most of the site is about The World Bank/IMF and WTO. More importantly in my site I made the connection with neoliberal ideology and these institutions.
