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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2008, 08:22:44 AM »

yo man was just playin, we all a little nuts in the head.

if i did do it, i woud like to have something like wise's racism therad, you know with LOTS of sources and links to back up my story, and sinec im off to china TOMORO, i dont think i really have time for the research.
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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2008, 08:28:49 AM »

So STFU then....naw just playing (well kinda sorta) but you know you kool with me.
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2008, 08:30:32 AM »

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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2008, 08:31:31 AM »

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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2008, 03:48:55 PM »

In general:

Reagan gets credit for the "War on Drugs"  which increased the drug trade.
Bush gets credit for the "War on Terror" which increased so-called terrorism worldwide.

As far as the reports go, final opinions vary to say the least but I am sure you are more proficient in that area than me so I won't say anything further. 

Like I said earlier, start something, see what happens.   In the meantime, peep LC Final Cut, I promise it won't hurt you. 

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about:

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/6/7/noam_chomsky_on_reagans_legacy_bush

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That was one part of the massive international terrorist campaign that the Reaganites carried out in the 1980’s under the pretense they were fighting a war on terror. They declared a war on terror in 1981 with pretty much the same rhetoric that they used when they re-declared it in September 2001.

Well, there goes a huge portion of your argument.

But here's some more evidence against your weakly researched assertion:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb1367/is_198412/ai_n5610441

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From the outset, the Reagan Administration made the war against terrorism the ideological centerpiece of its foreign policy. It was an attractive formulation. Terrorism, like treason, never prospers; in the last decade it was particularly abhorred. The hostage crisis was a major factor in Jimmy Carter's defeat in 1980, and Reagan found a villain against which Americans could all do battle--his own abstract Great Satan.

When was this written?

Nation, The,  December, 1984


Shit, they even have it ON THE WHITE HOUSE'S WEBSITE!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rr40.html

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Reagan declared war against international terrorism, sending American bombers against Libya after evidence came out that Libya was involved in an attack on American soldiers in a West Berlin nightclub.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/presiden/inaug/reagan1.htm

It gets even better, this is from his inaugural speech:

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To those neighbors and allies who share our freedom, we will strengthen our historic ties and assure them of our support and firm commitment. We will match loyalty with loyalty. We will strive for mutually beneficial relations. We will not use our friendship to impose on their sovereignty, for or own sovereignty is not for sale.

As for the enemies of freedom, those who are potential adversaries, they will be reminded that peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it; we will not surrender for it--now or ever.

Our forbearance should never be misunderstood. Our reluctance for conflict should not be misjudged as a failure of will. When action is required to preserve our national security, we will act. We will maintain sufficient strength to prevail if need be, knowing that if we do so we have the best chance of never having to use that strength.

Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have. It is a weapon that we as Americans do have. Let that be understood by those who practice terrorism and prey upon their neighbors.

SOUND FAMILIAR?!!!!!

Man, you guys are whack.  Your research skills are whack and your historical understanding is minimal.

As for the Final Cut of Loose Change (I find it ironic that this movie has been REMADE because it was so horribly inaccurate in its earlier incarnations.  This is not seen as disinformation to the TM, but rather as evidence of their doggedness)...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=0dd645a0130bfd1e2745b59cb5174d9d&t=98603

Look there.  You will find many, many inconsistencies pointed out there.  But watch how an attempt to balance this conversation will be met with attacks and accusations.

 
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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2008, 08:40:07 PM »

Dude, the operative word in my post you quoted was in general.  And generally speaking, the "War on Drugs" can be attributed to Reagan however that does not exclude him from having other agendas and aims as well.   You went way overboard in you zealous pursuit of "RMX Hating." It's quite obvious now that you have been begging for my attention for days now so come here my child let me comfort you   **pats child on head, says some insincere kinds words, and sends child to his room to play---ALONE**

And just to substantiate my general claim, let's use a general source such as wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Reagan#War_on_Drugs

The above link is a subsection in his wiki page and that is what I was referring to, in a very general sense, when I said that.  Please note, their is only one reference to the word 'terror' on his whole page and it is a footnote, #100 to be exact. 


Bush=War On Terror?  (IN GENERAL)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_George_W_Bush#War_on_Terror

again it's own subsection in his wiki page which is as general as it gets....

Howver let me note that I don't dispute your assertion wrt to Reagan and Terror nor did I with Sat but I downplayed Sat's assertion because clearly Bush jumped on the "War on Terror" campaign and ran with it premised on the 9-11 attacks, which is what I thought this thread was about, 9-11 that is.   

 

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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2008, 01:18:33 AM »

More personal attacks...

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Well, in general, you are wrong. No, fuck it, specifically you are WRONG.

You can try to make it seem like you are right, but you are not.  The very term "war on drugs" was coined by Richard Nixon.  Reagan re-hashed it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs


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Nixon's modern-day War on Drugs began in 1969. He characterized the abuse of illicit substances as "public enemy number one in the United States" at a press conference given on June 17th, 1971 [2], although the Shafer Commission recommended legalizing possession and sale of small amounts of marijuana [3]. Under Nixon, the U.S. Congress passed the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. This legislation is the foundation on which the modern drug war exists. Responsibility for enforcement of this new law was given to the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs and then in 1973 to the newly formed Drug Enforcement Administration.



Why look on the page that deals with Reagan's participation in the War on Drugs when it was Nixon who initiated its most modern incarnation?

What does terror have to do with the war on drugs?  Nothing, so I don't know why anyone should take note that it is on footnote 100. 

It is so obvious that you do not do your research or you would know this.  A cursory examination of the war on drugs would show you this.  But now you are pulling a Loose Change and backtracking and trying to make it seem like you are somehow right, when you are just parroting shit that you heard or shit that you just made up.

The war on terror, was started by Reagan.  Bush re-hashed it.  See my post above for several verbatim quotes from Reagan's mouth.

But it's funny, you are trying to make it seem like Bush gets credit for it...that's laughable because the person who started it is the person who should get credit. 

This is just evidence of how people in the 9/11 movement manipulate HISTORICAL FACT to fit their agenda.  Bush is just REMIXING an already tried and established reactionary concept.  Just like, in your world, NOTHING like 9/11 had ever happened before...or that 9/11 was the first time that the US manipulated an event for its own imperial benefit.  So you may think that this is somewhat irrelevant, well, it is not.  It is wholly indicative of how your side, the side who makes the claims, manipulates FACT to fit their position.
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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2008, 08:11:38 PM »

IN GENERAL


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_Ronald_Reagan

Click on the link, scroll down, and BAM!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_w_bush

Click on link, scroll down, and BAM!

 
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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2008, 08:20:13 PM »

In general they didn't start them.  Clinton can be associated with both of them IN GENERAL as well.  In general any president can be associated with them and given credit for them in different ways.

Reagan started the "War on Terror,"  Nixon started the "War on Drugs"...you didn't know that so you hide behind "in general," which is so ambiguous as to be all encompassing to anything you claim.

Republicans like to have wars on things.  But you don't have the historical analysis or understanding to see this.  Because 9/11 WAS UNPRECEDENTED AND THE WAR ON TERROR IS LIKE NOTHING WE HAVE EVER SEEN!>Q@@%!!!@#$%
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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2008, 08:24:32 PM »

Wonderful.  Do you feel better NOW? 
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« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2008, 12:08:09 AM »

No, I'll feel better when you have an original argument based on actual historical facts.
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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2008, 08:02:45 PM »

Reagan and "Iran-Contra" go together better:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/269619.stm

And if you look at the CIA running drugs in and out of South America etc, you could say maybe Reagan's focus on the region helped to encourage such hypocritical criminal activity.

The CIA, Contras and Crack Cocaine
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/october96/crack_contra_11-1.html

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Born Felipe Andres Coronel on the 19th of February 1978, hip-hop artist Immortal Technique is a controversial figure in the U.S. His songs speak of the need for social justice and equality among all races, with special emphasis on the people of color or Latin Americans, but they also cover topics such as the fight against unfair imprisonments or militarism and many others.

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Immortal technique was born in Peru, in El Hospital Militar de Lima; several years later, his family moved to America in order to escape the harsh living conditions in Peru. Even though they could not afford to buy any terrain a vendre there, they managed to move to Harlem in the ‘80s. Immortal Technique went to Hunter High School, but just like a hip replacement recall is never of good omen, his grades and behavior weren’t any good during high school either. He was the school bully, he harassed other students and he was not afraid to get involved in scandals with drug dealers from around the area. And while his interactions with these drug dealers were not as numerous as used cars in Phoenix are, they still managed to leave an ugly mark on his biography.

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Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

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