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« on: January 20, 2008, 08:42:42 PM »

So today I was walking in downtown SF, and saw this homeless cat who must have been 65yrs old begging for anything; food, money, anything, and people literally ignored him, didn't even flinch at this dude. This man was on his knees asking for help but no one would help this cat out. I come up to him and I have nothing on me so I tell him I'll be right back. I come back and give the dude a 20 and he starts crying. Telling me his full name and saying he'll pay me back one day. Dude follows me for a few blocks asking me about random stuff, we chop it up, and we part ways.

Do you all feel like I was in the right giving this guy money, or feeding an addiction? For some reason I can't stop thinking about this particular situation and the fact that so many Americans(not sure about the UK) can just ignore a starving person right out side of a busy ass Safeway.

I was curious on others views on giving to the homeless, if they do or not, and how the homeless affect other parts of the U.S. and the world.

Note: I know this should be in Politics & Society but wasn't sure where to Post it.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2008, 08:56:11 PM »

political philosophy thing

anyways one time there was a bum on the subway and shit and my friend gave him $40 back in like grade 8 / 9 / 7 or something, i was like whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa no way.

anyways back in grade 9 also you know how theres people playing instruments on the subway area wanting to get some extra $$ / promote their music and how they're not homeless / poor. anyways my friend went up to this one guy and gives him a fucking muffin thinking that hes broke and hungry. the guys laughs and says thank you.

90% of the time if they ask me ill give them a dollar or something but i think this one time i gave this bum a 20, either it was me or my friend i can't remember.
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2008, 09:05:01 PM »

back in my hometown, Aberdeen, i never....NEVER give any of them even a penny.

1st off, ther are all junkies or pissheads

2nd, some of them aint even homeless, and i know this for a fact.

since i was forecd to trade with in the black market, you come to see a side of your home town only privied to a few. i used to know 3 people who where beggers, all form my old school. all three were junkies on heroin, all 3 had a flat at night, and all three made over a HUNDRED POUNDS A DAY...and thats no joke. aberdeen is a very rich city, and it pays to be a bum on a friday night.

to be fair tho, this was not the case for all, as some where actually homeless, but where still junkies.

however, recently i have seen a side of homeless eher in shekou i have not really witnessed in person before.

ITS THE CHILDREN I CANT STAND TO SEE.


man shit brings i tera to my eye when i see children as young as 5 begging in the streets, runing up to cars and shit...i cant take it yo and i feel inclined to give them money. i mean grown ups fair enuff. but a child yo walking the streets begging is too much for me, i mesn what did they do to deserve that

on saturday i came outta a club at 4 in the moring and theres this boy just walking around with his grandma begging at FOUR IN THE MORNING. they where at a food stall where the guy was telling them to go away, i think. either way yo i just had to buy this kid some chicken from the BBQ.

and the other night tho i felt sooooooooooooo bad for walking past this little girl about 7 maybe 8, i just kept saying no, but then afterwards all i coudl thinks about was her littel face yo Cry*sniffs*...FUCK POVERTY.
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2008, 09:18:35 PM »

why did you say no to a little girl for you asshole?

i begged like 1 or 2 times in my life for bus change, i cried one time when i asked the guy, i was like in grade 6 or 7
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2008, 09:26:49 PM »

man dont make it worse, i feel real bad for it. i dont know WHY, but when i came outta the club i was just a little bit pissed of with the nightclub. i dont get these places man, they advertise hiphop and R'n'B, but then after 12 they ALL turn to fucking hardhouse dance PISH!!!!!!!!!

i guess i was a littel frustrated as i really, really REALLY cant stand that generic crap that goes ooonce oooonce ooonce, fucking shit man.

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2008, 09:28:21 PM »

I know what you're saying when you mention the fact that a lot of them are junkies, but sometimes I see a cat whose no junkie (I know a couple junkies this cat's head is on straight) and he does nothing but look sad all day. He just stands up and looks at the sun all day. I work a lot of OT and I see this cat almost everyday, morning and night, this guy sleeps in a box thats 4 by 2 feet and does it all over the next day. Never asks for a dime. It's almost as if this cat has no expectartions of his life ever getting better and has just given up.

You honestly think every bum who roams streets are junkies? Granted most are but that cant be said about all.
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2008, 09:29:49 PM »

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why did you say no to a little girl for you asshole?

the problem is, it is simply not possible to help them by giving them a dollar or whatever.  what that does is make them able to eat something for one day or whatever, which is GREAT, but change needs to take place in the bigger picture.
when you give beggers in 3rd world countries money, they notice that.  and once you make one little girl happy with a dollar, that girl plus another 1000+ come to you begging for money.  and as selfish as that sounds - it makes it worse for you.  because it leaves you giving one person or a few people money and leaving all the others with nothing.  it makes you choose and be unfair and gives you a much worse conscience.

that said, i often give homeless/poor people something.  but let's be real: we all know we don't really help that way.  we do it to relieve our conscience and be able to think about other stuff instead of really taking poverty to heart and doing something about it.
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2008, 09:35:53 PM »

i KNOW that the majority of the bums you will see in union street Aberdeen are junkies/alcoholics.

how? by actually socialising with them as a kid

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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2008, 09:41:46 PM »

Giving money to the homeless really won't solve anything.  Virtually all homeless people suffer from some kind of mental illness.  If I give someone $10 and they're a schizo, chances are they're not going to use that money wisely.  A big problem, especially here in Michigan, occurred when funding got cut to many mental/psyche institutions.  These institutions couldn't hold them any longer and they were forced out to the streets with no place to go.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2008, 10:16:56 PM »

Giving money to the homeless really won't solve anything.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2008, 10:37:17 PM »

i very very rarely give money to people begging on the streets here. they have to make it REALLY believable if im to give them anything. Reason - tons of people come to this country with not even a penny and they find a job and set up something for themselves.. this, while speaking NO ENGLISH! it can be done. plus, here, the government gives you housing and welfare and work experience and they find u a job so theres very very very little reason for a person to be homeless here.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2008, 11:04:56 PM »

"In Richmond I have seen one woman pull out a cigarette and throw it at homeless man (he said thank you). I have seen homeless men competing on different sides of the street and the guy with the sign that says "IM NOT GONNA LIE, I JUST WANT MONEY FOR ALCOHOL"  got the most money.

I have given to homeless men a few times. What gets me is when you don't they say "God bless you" to make you feel guilty.
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2008, 11:09:30 PM »

Veterans make up a very large percentage of the homeless, along with that another major cause of homelessness is the cost of housing. There are homeless who are employed but lack access to affordable housing. Neither of these causes are due to any personal shortcomings no matter how many people want to shit on homeless people or families for lack of "work ethic". You never see a majority of those who are really homeless; subjected to condescending institutions as well as civilian and police violence.

http://us.oneworld.net/article/view/155065/1/

Another interesting statistic, over 100 million people worldwide lack housing.

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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2008, 12:38:35 AM »

i figure if you don't help out the street folk you're either broke or you're a holdout. I always give them whatever I can, generally i'll give em a fold rather than a jingle. This bullshit morality shit of not wanting to buy herion users smack or alcoholics liqour is just ridiculous imo. What like they're gonna GET OFF the shit just cause some fools don't give cash to em? They'll find money somehow, and if they don't you may have just contributed to making someone's day a bit more difficult.

If someone is reduced to begging in the street they need the support of the community imo, not a bunch of wankers walking by thinking they're superior to them. It's indicative of the capitalist mindset in which there are 'winners' and 'losers'. We've been conditioned to respond like this, and to justify the dehumanisation of the homeless and destitute.
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2008, 04:29:59 AM »

 I usually give money to older homeless alcoholics, sometimes i give them an euro, which is just enough to buy a bottle of cheap red wine which they usually drink. but I don't like to give money to those young heroin addicts who just got hooked like last week, and their parents, with whom they live, still buy them nice clothes that they wear, and then they jump around people all desperate and shit asking for some money in an irritating and aggressive way, saying, they need money for a train ticket. Although I still give them money once in a while (if have a lot of money, meaning I just received scholarship or a payment), cause it's better if they ask
for money and get it rather than snatching purses from old ladies. I strongly agree with what you have to think about this bullshit morality SetuT, they're gonna get and spend money on drugs one way or another, plus I'd probably spend some of this money on weed and other shit I don't really need anyway.
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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2008, 05:03:53 AM »

^ Oh I should've specified, I don't give shit to people who approach me aggressively. People gotta be polite Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2008, 08:06:05 AM »

The majority of those homeless Toronto are there due to inaccessibility to housing and mental illness. I don't know how it is in the United Kingdom (sounds like candy land, imo), but poverty hits the young and old hard. It hits people of colour the hardest, and the hardest are aboriginals who are often not covered by the city health care regime.

Must be due to poor work ethic, eh? 
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2008, 09:23:31 AM »

the govt here do an awful lot so you arent homeless here. Thats why i get annoyed when i see young ABLE white British people begging! Education is free so thats no excuse. Its really annoying too when u see some immigrants on trains walking up and down carriages begging with their kids and literally clinging to people and i KNOW they get enough welfare and support purely cos they have like 6 kids. If u have 1 kid here, thats gauranteed council housing and welfare. Hell, my mum lives on welfare and shes never had to beg.
This woman from the govt place that finds u jobs was saying once how white unemployed women will come in and beg for a job then when they get them a job doing like cleaning or something, they dont take it and say theyre better than that, then the job goes to an immigrant who only cares about survival. Also, even if the govt didnt give housing, u can sleep in hostels for as little as £4 a night (shared dorms) which is the same price as a single train journey here so again, very little reason to be homeless here.
In countries like Turkey its very different though. Theres NO help whatsoever. Even there, i give to the ones weighing you or selling tissues and i always give them way more than it costs
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2008, 09:35:18 AM »

(sounds like candy land, imo)

 Grin I've been on those welfare programmes for 2 years and didn't find a job. In the end I left it by choice. I'd prefer my income at 0 than go through all the programmes they place you on, only at the end to be exploited. So fuck that.

Also, if the government helps out all homeless people, then it strikes my curiosity that we have homeless charities who produce figures like circa 300,000 homeless in England.
Are all these people just not realizing what's out there for them?
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2008, 09:38:45 AM »

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the govt here do an awful lot so you arent homeless here.  Thats why i get annoyed when i see young ABLE white British people begging! Education is free so thats no excuse.  Its really annoying too when u see some immigrants on trains walking up and down carriages begging with their kids and literally clinging to people and i KNOW they get enough welfare and support purely cos they have like 6 kids.  If u have 1 kid here, thats gauranteed council housing and welfare.  Hell, my mum lives on welfare and shes never had to beg. 
This woman from the govt place that finds u jobs was saying once how white unemployed women will come in and beg for a job then when they get them a job doing like cleaning or something, they dont take it and say theyre better than that, then the job goes to an immigrant who only cares about survival.  Also, even if the govt didnt give housing, u can sleep in hostels for as little as £4 a night (shared dorms) which is the same price as a single train journey here so again, very little reason to be homeless here. 
In countries like Turkey its very different though.  Theres NO help whatsoever.  Even there, i give to the ones weighing you or selling tissues and i always give them way more than it costs

i don't disagree with what you're saying but i think you're not putting enough value on the mental illness part of the story.  the things you mention - job offers, money, etc.  - are material things.  they alone cannot guarantee a person mental health.  you can have everything and lose it in an instant solely because of a psychological issue.  and even if there is professional help available, it does not mean that people who suffer will take advantage of that.  that's why i believe that you could very well end up homeless in london and at least THINK you're forced to beg for money despite all that help.
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Immortal Technique Rapper Biography

Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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