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« on: February 01, 2008, 10:00:21 AM »

People who believe in conspiracy theories need to get a reality check.  Immortal Tec is another talk out if your ass type of dudes.  Mcdonalds are now giving A-Levels to employees -  Tec talks about capitalism as if its a bad thing! LMAO have you seen a socialist economy?
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2008, 10:51:34 AM »

Have you seen a capitalist economy?  Oh, wait, the world is living through that shit right this second.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2008, 11:25:10 AM »

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Have you seen a capitalist economy?  Oh, wait, the world is living through that shit right this second. 

Yes and I love it! it makes sense, I'm a Capitalist too. 
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2008, 11:34:47 AM »

There is absolutely nothing that mean-spirited, neo-unstable backstabbers like Immortal Tec will not do to destroy their enemies.  They will poke into the most secret family affairs and not rest until their truffle-searching instinct digs up some licentious incident that is calculated to finish off their unfortunate victim.  While he has been beating the drums of scapegoatism, I've been trying to provide information and inspiration to as many people as possible.  In doing so, I've learned that what I just wrote is not based on merely a single experience or anecdote.  Rather, it is based upon the wisdom of accumulated years, spanning two continents, and proven by the fact that Immortal Tec ignores the most basic ground rule of debate.  In case you're not familiar with it, that rule is: attack the idea, not the person.  Immortal Tec claims that a book of his writings would be a good addition to the Bible.  Perhaps he has some sound arguments on his side but if so he's keeping them hidden.  I'd say it's far more likely that Immortal Tec is terrified that there might be an absolute reality outside himself, a reality that is what it is, regardless of his wishes, theories, hopes, daydreams, or decrees.  The recent outrage at Immortal Tec's inveracities may point to a brighter future.  For now, however, I must leave you knowing that I was obviously appalled when I first learned that his cat's-paws want to put the prisoners in charge of running the prison.
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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2008, 11:41:01 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2008, 11:53:01 AM »

I'm psychologically eccentric - I might come off as erratic - this is because I have psychological imbalances. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2008, 01:25:31 PM »

And you sir violate another tenet of debate, which is to use specific examples rather than glittering generalities and blanket ad hominem attacks.  You have blanket accusations, but let's see you quote something specific.

You're a capitalist, great; please extol the virtues of capitalism so that we can cut them down with the very reality of the majority of the world's people. 
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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2008, 01:26:32 PM »

neo-unstable? you're a weirdo. is this thenumbersix?
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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2008, 01:55:20 PM »

They will poke into the most secret family affairs and not rest until their truffle-searching instinct digs up some licentious incident that is calculated to finish off their unfortunate victim.

Sounds like our Capitalist government, you sure where talking about Tech?
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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2008, 02:01:50 PM »

neo-unstable? you're a weirdo. is this thenumbersix?

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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2008, 02:05:26 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2008, 03:23:36 PM »

People who believe in conspiracy theories need to get a reality check.  Immortal Tec is another talk out if your ass type of dudes.  Mcdonalds are now giving A-Levels to employees -  Tec talks about capitalism as if its a bad thing! LMAO have you seen a socialist economy?
Nah man I agree, capitalism is fucking great.................For white people in the developed world
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2008, 03:41:47 PM »

Nah man I agree, capitalism is fucking great.................For white people in the developed world

Firstly, it has nothing to do with white people, its about having the ability to use your intellect practically, as opposed to talking abstract shit, which doesn't change anything. If you all stopped bitching about white people, and stop having a victim mentality you would actually achieve something. Many of you are hypocites, you follow your former "masters" religion i.e. Christianity, you adopt Christian slave names, etc... Yet don't have the intellectual comprehension to just convert to Islam, to a religion which actually freed the black man. Islam was the first religion to free blacks from slavery! 

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2008, 03:54:38 PM »

Firstly, it has nothing to do with white people, its about having the ability to use your intellect practically, as opposed to talking abstract shit, which doesn't change anything. If you all stopped bitching about white people, and stop having a victim mentality you would actually achieve something. Many of you are hypocites, you follow your former "masters" religion i.e. Christianity, you adopt Christian slave names, etc... Yet don't have the intellectual comprehension to just convert to Islam, to a religion which actually freed the black man. Islam was the first religion to free blacks from slavery! 

Cite: http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/hist_bio/bilaal.htm
No the white man is in the position to see how far we are progressing and then when it threatens his position he closes the doors and changes the rules to his favor, the white man will continually stack the odds against us.

Oh thanks for talking about the whole forum with out knowing anything about us, if you did you would see we are mostly Atheist and Islamic if I am correct.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2008, 03:58:54 PM »

Firstly, it has nothing to do with white people, its about having the ability to use your intellect practically, as opposed to talking abstract shit, which doesn't change anything. If you all stopped bitching about white people, and stop having a victim mentality you would actually achieve something. Many of you are hypocites, you follow your former "masters" religion i.e. Christianity, you adopt Christian slave names, etc... Yet don't have the intellectual comprehension to just convert to Islam, to a religion which actually freed the black man. Islam was the first religion to free blacks from slavery! 

Cite: http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/hist_bio/bilaal.htm
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Islam has also enslaved blacks. Why must we convert to some other races religion because it is less oppressive than Christianity when we have our OWN religions. If blacks wanted to be spiritually liberated why should they convert to Islam. If they wanted spiritual liberation they would convert to a religion like West African Vodoun, Santeria, Kemetic mysticism ect. and not the next closest religion to Christianity (Islam). Most people on here are Muslim, Atheist, and belong to other religions other than Christianity. Capitalism does only benefit western (white, developed) nations, and Malcolm X could have told you that..
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2008, 04:10:50 PM »

Ok, usually I just ignore shit-talking newbies who come in arrogantly assuming the positions of the entire board. So instead of deleting your post, I'm just going to deconstruct all the bullshit you are saying.

Firstly, it has nothing to do with white people, its about having the ability to use your intellect practically

Accumulation of wealth and attaining private capital has nothing to do with intelligence or hard work and everything to do with social position from birth, elite connections, state-backing, ruthless competition, and the exploitation of labor for profits. Capital was initially attained through the violence and coercion of the state, not a few "elite" individuals who decided to get together and innovate ideas. Very few of the Fortune 500 had brought themselves up with their own bootstraps through "rugged individualism". They relied on state funding for technology, subsidies, tax cuts, and other forms of corporate welfare that make any talk of the "free market" an absolute joke. The market is only "free" for the working class who must be "flexible" as wages stagnate or decline, unionism and union protection declines, the welfare state is gutted under neoliberal ideology, etc.

If you want to go into a debate about capitalism, bring it on. As great as it is for you, its not great for me and a far majority of the world's population suffering under the abomination of wage slavery.

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as opposed to talking abstract shit, which doesn't change anything. If you all stopped bitching about white people, and stop having a victim mentality you would actually achieve something.

Now you want to change the system? In the beginning of this post you were discussing the glories of the almighty system of capitalism now you propose we stop bitching and go out there to take direct action for social change. I agree in a sense but its also imperative that one has the correct mindstate and ideas to avoid errors when attempting to achieve change. However, the mere mention of white people collectively benefiting from the white privilege system throws you on the defense. It is not the "mentality" of people of color that keeps them in a subservient state but the white-controlled institutions of society.

If you want to go into a debate about institutional racism and its affects on people of color then bring it on.

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Many of you are hypocites, you follow your former "masters" religion i.e. Christianity, you adopt Christian slave names, etc...

A very small minority here is Christian, most are atheist, like myself, or Muslim.

But besides that, I guess you assume that slaves rationally thought out that Christianity was the most reasonable sounding religion and their master's name was equally superior.
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2008, 04:18:53 PM »

Fuck off Logic. Seriously, fuck off.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2008, 04:39:07 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2008, 04:41:52 PM »

People who believe in conspiracy theories need to get a reality check.  Immortal Tec is another talk out if your ass type of dudes.  Mcdonalds are now giving A-Levels to employees -  Tec talks about capitalism as if its a bad thing! LMAO have you seen a socialist economy?

Cuba, even though its illegally sanctioned and subject to international terrorism from CIA-backed Cuban right-wing exiles in Miami, has better living conditions than every other country in Latin America.

Cuba has unquestionably better healthcare than the U.S. that has succeeded in every indicator including infant mortality, adult mortality, and life expectancy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blake-fleetwood/cuba-has-better-medical-c_b_19664.html

Cuba gives free access to higher education, even giving out scholarships to poor people in the U.S. Not only is there no illiteracy but Cuba's literacy programs are teaching people to read throughout Latin America similar to how it exports healthcare.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=60&ItemID=7962

Here's an interesting article that presents both sides to the Capitalism vs. Socialism debate

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=780

The economy of Russia and Eastern Europe following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the neoliberal corruption afterwards compared to the state socialist system of Cuba. Cuba easily comes out the winner.

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Cuban socialism was badly hit by the turn to capitalism in the USSR and Eastern Europe. Industrial production and trade fell by 60% and the daily caloric intake of individual Cubans fell by half. Nevertheless infant mortality in Cuba continued to decline from 11per 1000 live births in 1989 to 6 in 2003 (comparing favorably to the U.S.). While Russia spends only 3.8% of its GNP on public healthcare and 1.5% on private care, the Cubans spend 16.7%. While life expectancy among males declined to 58 years in capitalist Russia, it rose to 74 years in socialist Cuba. While unemployment rose to 21% in capitalist Poland, it declined to 3% in Cuba. While drugs and criminal gangs are rampant among the emerging capitalist countries, Cuba has initiated educational and training programs for unemployed youth, paying them salaries to learn a skill and providing job placement. Cuba's continued scientific advances in biotechnology and medicine are world-class while the scientific infrastructure of the former communist countries has collapsed and their scientists have emigrated or are without resources. Cuba retains its political and economic independence while the emerging capitalist countries have become military clients of the US, providing mercenaries to service the US empire in the Balkans, Afghanistan and Iraq. In contrast to Eastern Europeans working as mercenary soldiers for the US in the Third World, 14,000 Cuban medical workers serve some of the poorest regions in Latin America and Africa in cooperation with various national governments that have requested their skills. There are more than 500 Cuban medical workers in Haiti. In Cuba, most industries are national and public with enclaves of private markets and joint ventures with foreign capital. In ex-communist countries, almost all basics industries are foreign-owned, as are most of the mass media and "culture industries". While Cuba retains a social safety net for basic foodstuff, housing, health, education and sports, in the emerging capitalist countries the "market" excludes substantial sectors of the unemployed and underpaid from access to many of those goods and services.

Comparative data on economy and society demonstrate that "reformed socialism" in Cuba has greatly surpassed the performance of the emerging capitalist countries of Eastern Europe and Russia, not to speak of Central Asia. Even with the negative fall-out from the crisis of the early 1990's, and the growing tourist sector, Cuba's moral and cultural climate is far healthier than any and all of the corrupt mafia- ridden electoral regimes with their complicity in drugs, sex slavery and subordination to U.S. empire building. Equally important while AIDS infects millions in Eastern Europe and Russia, Cuba has the best preventive and most humane treatment facilities in the world for dealing with HIV. Free anti-viral drugs, humane cost-free treatment and well-organized, extensive public health programs and health education explains why Cuba has the lowest incidence of HIV in the developing world despite the presence of small-scale prostitution related to tourism and low incomes.

Note: I am not suggesting Cuba is the paradigm of revolution or even actually socialist. In reality its state capitalism with a large social safety net and bureaucracy. Actual socialism is organized from the grassroots with community control and decision making. Here's a clear alternative that "Logic" has probably never recognized due to his infatuation with capitalism.

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2008, 08:00:49 PM »

What happened to all the new guy's posts? All I see is blahblahblub...
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Mobile-friendly version Immortal Technique Biography

Born Felipe Andres Coronel on the 19th of February 1978, hip-hop artist Immortal Technique is a controversial figure in the U.S. His songs speak of the need for social justice and equality among all races, with special emphasis on the people of color or Latin Americans, but they also cover topics such as the fight against unfair imprisonments or militarism and many others.

His biography is hence quite intriguing, to say the least, and, just like the best anti aging cream is probably going to be lingering over the shelves of all cosmetic stores for many years to come, Immortal Technique’s songs are going to remain hot, fresh and sought after for a really long time. Due to the fact they speak about topics which are to be considered taboos, his lyrics continue to be listened to with the exterior shutters down in most homes.

Immortal technique was born in Peru, in El Hospital Militar de Lima; several years later, his family moved to America in order to escape the harsh living conditions in Peru. Even though they could not afford to buy any terrain a vendre there, they managed to move to Harlem in the ‘80s. Immortal Technique went to Hunter High School, but just like a hip replacement recall is never of good omen, his grades and behavior weren’t any good during high school either. He was the school bully, he harassed other students and he was not afraid to get involved in scandals with drug dealers from around the area. And while his interactions with these drug dealers were not as numerous as used cars in Phoenix are, they still managed to leave an ugly mark on his biography.

Plus, his graffiti did not actually resemble any Dreamweaver templates, but he was famous for his controversial acts of vandalism. His violence against others almost got him expelled in 1996, but he somehow managed to finish high school and even attend college at Pennsylvania State University. This time, his college experience only lasted for two years; he was then charged and convicted and he was eventually imprisoned in Pennsylvania.

In prison, just like a SEO San Antonio company would focus on booting a web site’s ranking, Immortal Technique also focused on boosting his own social ranking. He began studying the policy of religious history, and, finding the inspiration he needed, he began putting his thoughts in lyrics. In 1999 he was paroled and, even though he was first considered some sort of Agen Bola, as no one had heard of him at first, he began to attend freestyle battles he started winning.

From there on, his career started to bloom, as he gave birth to albums such as “Revolutionary Vol 1” in 2002, “Revolutionary Vol 2” in 2004 and “Revolutionary Vol 3” in 2008. He also became a political activist and started to sing about political injustice (check out his opinion on the imprisonment of Mumia Abu-Jamal or the songs on George W. Bush). Despite of the fact that his albums might not have gotten the type of positive reviews African mango reviews are usually comprised of, this has not stopped him from getting involved in future projects, including an important film collaboration. He might not approve the work of the CNA Financial Corporation, but we all need to eat, right?




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The first recorded version of rap music came alive in the early 1980s when DJs decided to make records out of their freestyle MCing. This necessitated the documentation of song lyrics so they do not change during each and every rendition. The age of the stromanbieter for rap music was gone paving the way for more organized chaos. Still, the freestyle and improvisation element remained a part of many DJ interludes as the song goes through certain sections that did not require too much rap singing.

Likewise, as a consequence of the hip-hop records, the influence of rap began to spread faster than ever before. Artists no longer had to travel far to get their music heard. Now, records from New York City and Philadelphia can be reproduced and transported to cities like Los Angeles, New Orleans, Dallas, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Seattle among others for people to appreciate and enjoy. This was primarily the reason for rap music’s rapid growth. Like Christmas mini lights, cities formed the nodes through which rap music would spread to other parts of the country. From small beginnings to grand achievements, the birth certificate translation to true stardom took a matter of years for rap music to be realized. Since then, its take-off and rise has been meteoric.

In this regard, it is almost impossible to talk about rap music but not discuss the golden age of rap. This was the era from the late 1980s to the mid 1990s when rap grew at an astounding rate fueled by the creative contributions of many artists from all over the continental United States and in many parts of the world. The primary trait of the Golden Age or Rap was that it was an almost unbroken wave of transformative music with every single pushing the boundaries of the genre. From this age and in the succeeding Gansta Rap age came names like Run-D.M.C., Dr. Dre, Ice T, MC Hammer, The Wu-tang Clan, Snoop Dogg, and The Notorious B.I.G. among others. The list of names can virtually fill a Sharepoint Hive without any problems.

According to social studies published in 2005, teenagers and children are more familiar with hip-hop and rap music more than any other musical genre. Up to 65% of all children from ages 8 to 18 hear hip-hop music on a daily basis, making it their routinary keratin hair treatment session, almost to the point that it has become an intrinsic part of their lives. With the diversification of the genre to include the more stylish R&B or rhythm and blues, it is not difficult to explain how rap music has continued to pervade radio station, TV and movie song line-ups. The marriage of rap and jazz which paved the way for R&B is itself a phenomenon that warrants all sorts of social analysis.

And with its very strong following, it is safe to say that rap music is here to stay. Years from now, when you open your TV on a bright Saturday morning, there’s a big chance you would be watching the next stage in the evolution of rap music, and there’s an even better chance you would be dancing or singing to that tune.

Immortal Technique Rapper Biography

Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

His popular sediments are captured in his albums that include the revolutionary, both volume one and two, and the 3rd world and the middle passage album. the rapper is increasingly involved in prison visits and working with migrant rights activists, though which he speaks to youths and the unprivileged in the society trazer amor de volta. His investments are largely in farmland in Latin America, which like soweto properties is an unpopular investment option for many celebrity figures. His advice to the youth is not much on taking up an aacsb online mba or an online criminal justice degree, but rather it is based on exploiting ones talents and living soberly within the law.

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