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« on: April 08, 2008, 05:01:20 PM »

So I just stormed out of chat and would like to make something clear.

As a Chrisitian, no in fact as a person, I am a firm believer in Jesus' message and values. I do not support everything the Vatican says nor everything that is the Bible for the simple reason that those are man made therefor subject to error and misinterpretation.

However, to pass on Jesus' message (which I 100% believe is a good and positive one) we do need to have a certain system, otherwise it would become so diluted with time, it would be no better than a legend. That system is operated by the Vatican, who, as I mentioned earlier is prone to errors and misinterpretations, because of the fact that it is man made. It is not a perfect institution, but nothing man made is perfect.

The reason I adhere to Christian values is not only because i was raised that way. As a person I am very spiritual and very interested in my spiritual growth, and troughout the years have discovered that my values and those of Christianity correspond. At the same time, I also have Buddhist tendencies which I find compatible with Christianity.

The reason of this post is because I am finaly to the point where i am absolutely fed up and disgusted, by the liberties ppl take to mock and disrespect what is sacred to others. Not only on this board, but in the world in general. If anybody dares disrespect Islam or Judaism, their entire communities rise up and demand appologies (think about the Mohammad cartoons, or how often ppl are accused of anti-semitism). However, when it comes to Christianity, ppl run their mouths knowing damn well there will be no consequences.

That, my friends, is due to the message of Christianity itself, which does not support retaliation, preaching instead to turn the other cheek. To look at your own mistakes instead of the others.

I am fed up of hearing about what so-called Christians do wrong. If a person commits a crime, does it make the entire family criminals? If there are ppl out there who call themselves Christians but carry on un-Christian like behavior, do not judge the entire message of the religion based on that. You will find those fake Christians in the population as well as the clergy itself. But do not judge Jesus' message because of them. We are all gifted with a brain and we all have the ability to distinguish poser and fakers, so there is no need to discredit an entire message for the wrong doing of some.

I am fed up of ppl trying to shame me (and ppl like me) for our beleifs. I will not just sit back and let it happen so here I am voicing my opinion and telling you to stop. I am also fed up with ppl asking me to justify every part of the religion to them. Religion is not based on science, it is based on faith. There are some things I feel intuitively although i have no means to prove scientificaly. But on the whole, Jesus' message makes sense to me morally speaking. Some parts are more difficult to acheive in life than others. However it is not the role of religion to lower their standards, it is our role to grow spiritualy and become better humans. It's not always easy to be Christian because it demands sacrifice.

So if you do not agree with Christianity and what it asks of you, then don't be a part of it. But that does not give you the right to mock and disrespect what is sacred to others.
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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2008, 05:19:46 PM »

I see where you are coming from. But this is where I am coming from.



And also there is more to Yeshua than what is in the Bible. Only a fraction of scripture on him was included. Hand selected, all other text was shunned and burned for a reason.
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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2008, 05:46:16 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2008, 05:52:53 PM »

So I just finished watching Drizz' video

1) Why the hell is he a pastor if he thinks that black ppl should not be Christian?

2) As I said earlier, if you don't wanna be a Christian, don't be. That doesn't give you the right to disrespect Christianity. You think you can disrespect it because Christianity was thaught to black ppl by white ppl and white ppl are the ones who turned black ppl into slaves. However like I said, Jesus' message is one thing, what so called Christians did to black ppl is another thing.

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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2008, 05:59:42 PM »

So I just finished watching Drizz' video

1) Why the hell is he a pastor if he thinks that black ppl should not be Christian?

2) As I said earlier, if you don't wanna be a Christian, don't be. That doesn't give you the right to disrespect Christianity. You think you can disrespect it because Christianity was thaught to black ppl by white ppl and white ppl are the ones who turned black ppl into slaves. However like I said, Jesus' message is one thing, what so called Christians did to black ppl is another thing.



You cannot appose the prejudice of Christian's actions to Christianity, if they act against their original beliefs.
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2008, 06:01:52 PM »

You cannot appose the prejudice of Christian's actions to Christianity, if they act against their original beliefs.


That perfectly explains in one sentance what I've been trying to say. Thanks and I will save this quote Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2008, 06:13:27 PM »

So I just finished watching Drizz' video

1) Why the hell is he a pastor if he thinks that black ppl should not be Christian?

2) As I said earlier, if you don't wanna be a Christian, don't be. That doesn't give you the right to disrespect Christianity. You think you can disrespect it because Christianity was thaught to black ppl by white ppl and white ppl are the ones who turned black ppl into slaves. However like I said, Jesus' message is one thing, what so called Christians did to black ppl is another thing.



To the first part: Hes an ex-minister. Not Christian anymore

To the second: No it goes hand and hand.
Posted on: April 08, 2008, 06:11:26 pm
You cannot appose the prejudice of Christian's actions to Christianity, if they act against their original beliefs.

Have you read the whole Bible, or do you pic and choose?
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2008, 06:17:31 PM »

Don't be angry Nayiri. Smiley

I don't hate Christians, I hate people in general.
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2008, 06:19:41 PM »

To the first part: Hes an ex-minister. Not Christian anymore

To the second: No it goes hand and hand.

Why then is he being refered to as "pastor"

And no it doesn't go hand in hand, refer to quote by Polar.
Posted on: April 09, 2008, 12:18:53 am
Don't be angry Nayiri. Smiley

I don't hate Christians, I hate people in general.

That's your choice...and as long as you don't disrespect me, I will be cool with you.
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2008, 06:20:38 PM »

I addressed his quote, and also, his style of teaching is that of a minister because he used to be one.
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2008, 06:23:49 PM »

I addressed his quote, and also, his style of teaching is that of a minister because he used to be one.

Let me ask you, have YOU read the entire Bible?

Also, what he USED to be don't matter. If he ain't Christian then he shouldn't be called pastor.
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2008, 06:25:48 PM »

That's your choice...and as long as you don't disrespect me, I will be cool with you.
People always diss Christianity. That's just the way it is. Personally I find problems with secularism just the same as I find problems with religion.

But you should forgive these people for angering you. That is the Christian thing to do.
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2008, 06:28:57 PM »

Let me ask you, have YOU read the entire Bible?

Also, what he USED to be don't matter. If he ain't Christian then he shouldn't be called pastor.

No, not the entire Bible, but I don't pick and choose. I see the good and the bad. I see Yeshua's positive message along with the sexism, justification of slavery by Paul, and genocide found in it.
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2008, 06:34:55 PM »

People always diss Christianity. That's just the way it is. Personally I find problems with secularism just the same as I find problems with religion.

But you should forgive these people for angering you. That is the Christian thing to do.

There is nothing to forgive because i do not hate them. However i feel it is my duty as a Christian to counter balance all the negative "press" that my religion is getting and speak what I belive is the truth.
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2008, 06:36:00 PM »

And where is he referred to as a pastor? Is it the old 2 second clips of him before he converted from Christianity to show his change or in the main speech of the video?
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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2008, 06:37:45 PM »

No, not the entire Bible, but I don't pick and choose. I see the good and the bad. I see Yeshua's positive message along with the sexism, justification of slavery by Paul, and genocide found in it.

It's funny how you say that, but some of the most selfless ppl i have encountered in my life have been Christian. Also, i was never thaught that sexism, slavery and genocide are OK, quite the contrary, those are things that are condemded by the Christian church and schools that i attended.
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2008, 06:39:17 PM »

There is nothing to forgive because i do not hate them. However i feel it is my duty as a Christian to counter balance all the negative "press" that my religion is getting and speak what I belive is the truth.
I don't think you necessarily have to do anything. Your faith is between you and God, everything else is largely irrelevant. But you do what you gotta do.
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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2008, 06:39:48 PM »

And where is he referred to as a pastor? Is it the old 2 second clips of him before he converted from Christianity to show his change or in the main speech of the video?

At 8:45 into the vid...ironicaly exactly when he says "as long as you think you are Christian..."
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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2008, 06:41:02 PM »

No, not the entire Bible, but I don't pick and choose. I see the good and the bad. I see Yeshua's positive message along with the sexism, justification of slavery by Paul, and genocide found in it.

Let me suggest some reading.

http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/index.php?action=getCommentaryText&cid=7&source=1&seq=i.55.5.5
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sexism.html
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/killergod.html
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/notkill.html
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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2008, 06:41:58 PM »

I don't think you necessarily have to do anything. Your faith is between you and God, everything else is largely irrelevant. But you do what you gotta do.

It is between me and God and that is why I don't attend church anymore except on the rare occasion. However, I know about Jesus' message because ppl before me affirmed their faith. And I'm happy they did and so I will do my part so that Jesus and his positive message are not tarnished by the actions of so called Chrsitians who give it a bad image.
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