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« on: August 13, 2008, 01:53:53 AM »

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Capitalism works. If Immortal tec and all you guys hate Capitalism why do you use the Internet? Why does Immortal Tec sign up on Youtube which is a subsidiary of Google Inc? he is doing this as Capitalism is benefiting him, socialism in thoery sounds nice, however practically it does not work. Lack of money is motivation to get a job, however one can only get a job if there are factories and cooperations to work in. Otherwise you would be, being taken advantage of employers for example look at China there is child-labor going on is that the kind of socialism you want? Generally nations with capitalism have higher living standards. Another example is take UAE in the 70, 80s it was more Islamic-Socialism based on teachings/writings of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Yet during all that time most of the UAE was a damn desert not until they started to adopt Capitalism during the late part of 1990s and during the 21st century that things started to change, the damn desert changed to Urbanism. Even today you are seeing buildings forming out of the damn sea. What did socialism ever do for these folks? it did not even increase their living standards. Now take Pakistan under the rule of General Pervez Musharraf for the 9 years he ruled, the whole country had transformed, the guy was a capitalist. Pakistans poverty fell from someplace in the 65% region to 24% in 10 years the Karachi Stock Exchange was boobing the GDP each fiscal year was increasing roughly 6% to 8% consistently for 9 years and inflation was also kept low.

Now in Pakistan you will sea huge construction projects, from dam building to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0pR6I8QmEY&feature=related

       
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2008, 03:53:47 AM »

Here's a well thought out response to your comments.

Why don't you go and fuck your mother?

smh @ right wing losers coming on here to talk shit.

Edit: I remember you muthafukka, coming in here to teach all these poor misguided leftist youth the TRUTH. Seriously go away.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2008, 10:53:53 AM »

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Capitalism works

socialism works, my keyboard works, facism works, I work, pure weed joints work, Auschiwitz worked.

unless you actually understand HOW it works and for WHO, there is no hope for you

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If Immortal tec and all you guys hate Capitalism why do you use the Internet?

the internet is a form of world wide communication combined with a vast amount of information, alot generally shit, but non the less information for all to read. i dont think i have ever paid for any of this information, porn included. i pay a service fee to a network provider much like i do with pretty much everything else in this world. internet aint shit compared to oil which since the days of Standard oil in the late 1870s, has been the no.1 perpetuator of capitalism via such means as globalization.

Internet also allows us to reach real unbiased news, which would other wise be completely blocked oit by mainstream networks.

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Why does Immortal Tec sign up on Youtube

seriously? shit if you believe that, then honestly there is no hope for you.

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socialism in thoery sounds nice, however practically it does not work.

ahem

Cuba:
http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/cuba_statistics.html
http://www.who.int/whosis/database/core/core_select_process.cfm

Population with sustainable access to improved drinking water sources (%) total ?       91 (2006)
Population with sustainable access to improved sanitation (%) total ?       98 (2006)
Adult literacy rate (%)      99.8 (2002)
Per capita total expenditure on health (PPP int. $) ?       333.0 (2005)
Adult mortality rate (probability of dying between 15 to 60 years per 1000 population) both sexes ?

FREE health care, FREE eduaction, FREE housing and look at the results, sanitation, drinking water, literacy rate, low infant mortality rate, and a 10% chance you will die between the age of 15-60.

I would pull up Venezula also, but its like 2 hours past my bedtime.


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being taken advantage of employers for example look at China there is child-labor going on is that the kind of socialism you want?

aaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha, honestly man you really need to read a book or something that actually explains different socio economic theories. child labour is the EPITOME of capitalism. socialism is all about the WORKER. they form unions and can fight for better wages, working conditions and hours. given that NIKE is prob the most leading company involved in this form or labour, i actually BEG you to show how this is more a socialist principle than it is a capitalist. honestly just THINK about it for one second, it might hurt bit serioulsy try it.

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Generally nations with capitalism have higher living standards

AND THATS BECUASE WE RAPED THOSE OTHER COUNTRIES TO FORM OUR WEALTH. the British empire was built on tea, spice and slavery, yet i dont see ANY tea being grown in the UK. shit yo, even today Tobbacco is STILL a number money maker for UK and i dont see ANY backy fields in UK.

Any way, even with that, how about some stats Vs REAL socilist states like Cuba and Venezuela.

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Yet during all that time most of the UAE was a damn desert not until they started to adopt Capitalism during the late part of 1990s and during the 21st century that things started to change, the damn desert changed to Urbanism. Even today you are seeing buildings forming out of the damn sea.

YAWN, and oil had nothing to do with that NO? the ONLY reason UAE succeeded so well is becuase they did not fight off western companies and essentially privatized industries. Venezula has done MARVELOUS things by nationalizing their oil including paying off , a by and large, insurmountable size in debt to the IMF. Had the emirates chosen nationalization and to fight western powers, they would have been fucked royally. instead they got paid, only slightly compared to the western oil companies, and used this MINOR cut to build themselves a new land. as shown by chavez this would have been JUST as possible with socialism, where it not for western intervention ala Iraq and Iran.

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Now take Pakistan

indeed lets

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Pakistan is ranked 142 on the Human Development Index, compared to India 118 and Uganda 146. United Nations Development Programme.


http://www.worldbank.org.pk/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/SOUTHASIAEXT/PAKISTANEXTN/0,,contentMDK:20170390~pagePK:1497618~piPK:217854~theSitePK:293052,00.html
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According to the latest figures, as measured by Pakistan’s poverty line, 32.6 percent of the population is poor.

heres a little something that might lighten up your otherwise weak mind to these statistics

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For many people in developing countries, acute poverty means difficulty making a living, as well as a lack of basic services in education and health. In Pakistan, lack of access to credit, training in income-generating activities, basic social services and infrastructure are critical factors behind the persistence of substantial poverty, especially in under-served rural and urban areas.

Its all relative man. its easy to pull a nation in COMPLETE tatters from 65 down, only becuase it could not get any worse. HOWEVER, even if, and thats a BIG IF, this number fell bellow that of western standards, that does mean SHIT. by western standards there are STILL far worse off.

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the Karachi Stock Exchange was boobing the GDP each fiscal year was increasing roughly 6% to 8% consistently for 9 years and inflation was also kept low.

Now in Pakistan you will sea huge construction projects, from dam building

a clear sign  that you REALLY dont know HOW capitalism works. GDP dont mean shit. see YES they contruct, but how much contruction gets sold to foreign contractors? Who pays the bills? who earns the money?

and while one maybe 10 guys make BILLIONS from it

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48 million people struggle daily on US$2.00 or less. Reaching beyond that is only a dream.

ah but there it is, see 10 people make 48 billion, while 48 million starve and BOOM, the GDP goes UP. that dont mean every one benefits, HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL NO. all it means is that someONE benefited.

id just like to conclude by saying......

i had the MOST delicous chilly crab ever tonight. man that shit is TOO GOOD. yo im DEF gonna be going bac to east Jurong some point


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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2008, 12:30:06 PM »

GDP doesn't indicate whether or not an economic system is working, it just details the volume of trade activity. GDP has no relationship with welfare of citizens.

What does it mean to say capitalism works? What is its aim?

Profit.

So yes, it works. Well done.

The Capitalist aim is not to lift nations out of poverty, using that argument to suggest that it 'works' is just misdirection.
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008, 08:53:27 PM »

Otherwise you would be, being taken advantage of employers for example look at China there is child-labor going on is that the kind of socialism you want?

You're a muthafuckin dumbass, from now on I will never take anything you post with respect or seriousness.
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2008, 11:29:13 AM »

read john Perkins books to get a vague overview of shit before you make stupid fucking threads
confessions of an economic hit man
secret history of the American empire
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2008, 03:08:28 PM »

This thread would be lively under normal circumstances. Just goes to show how dead this place is  Retired Godfather
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2008, 06:58:33 PM »

^^ i disagree, this punk logic has but 30+ posts, most directly aimed to infuriate members of this board into joining his own forum.

given that RMX was about the only guy i know on here who was open capitalist, i dont really think there would have been much compition.

however, if its a debate you want, ive been meaning to do this for a while now, i shall make a post, when i have time, about how the discoveries at the LHC is even MORE evidence of a creator, regarding just how little we think we know about our universe, which this test prooves is pretty much jack shit, relatively speaking of course as we do know quite alot.
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2008, 09:19:28 PM »

I think a case can be made that you can inter-mix them for a good situation: Capitalism for the private sector and socialism for the necessaries of life but, with accountability and transparency.
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2008, 09:50:31 PM »

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i just luff setu, sativa and Ether for lettin shit known the way i like it..=p

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Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

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