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« on: September 13, 2008, 12:32:44 AM »

We are different nationalities.
If you live in an area with many different cultures, you get to interact with diverse peoples.

We get asked:

 “what are you” “what nationality are you” “where are you from”….

Some people immigrate to the U.S. from countries where it’s mostly one people. Little kids brought here grow up with diverse friends and can become less racist. I tell people what I am but I can’t tell them what I am not. How can you. I can imagine several generations from now. My great-great-great-grandchild being asked if they are something I am and my great-great-great-grandchild saying “No” out of ignorance.  If I can come back from wherever I am and confront their stupid ass I would. How can you know thousands of years of ancestry. I can count about 8 countries my parents and maternal/paternal grandparents have been born or lived in. I know that might not be the case for everyone. I might be unusual. Huh One day I would like to do a DNA test to see what that will reveal. We don’t/can’t keep good records and even if we did how vulnerable those are. So much has been lost due to fire, book deterioration, bad memory, etc.

http://dna.ancestry.com/welcome.aspx

http://www.dnaancestryproject.com/
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2008, 06:26:58 AM »

my family cant be traced back properly from before my dad's grandad. lol. alls we know is that the people in our region used to be from iran somewhere then moved to south east turkey and we know nothing else about how long ago or why or whatever.
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2008, 11:44:32 AM »

I am some what skeptical about dna test for ancestry. The reason I have this view is because of what they used as the comparable. From my understanding they take dna samples from present day groups of peoples and look for common dna markers within that group in order to create a dna baseline for the particular group of people. Sometimes they identify the people by ethic group or some other type of categorization. Now, unless the groups of people have been isolated from outside contact for a 1,000 years or so the chances are high that there has been integrations of different people into the group over the years, thus the injection of new dna markers in the make up that group. I not sure if my post is making sense, but the following is an example of the point that I am trying to make: Take the Gio people who are spread throughout present day Liberia and Ivory Coast, according to a African Ancestry Guide to West & Central Africa that I got from African Ancestry, Inc. Liberia was founded by formally enslaved blacks and free blacks from the USA. At any point in time the blacks from the USA or their descendants could have produce children with members of the Gio, thus it would not be surprising that if you did a dna test of the current make up the Gio people that they would have common dna markers with some blacks in the USA. The question that arises is what makes a person a Gio dna wise?; given that you don't know who has intergrate over the centuries with the Gio people in my opinion.

Even with my doubts of the accuracy of the dna test, I will more than likely take one just out of curiosity of the results, but by no means would I consider myself a member of any specific group that the result come up positive for.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2008, 11:40:05 AM »

I am some what skeptical about dna test for ancestry.........

Good point.

Question: Have you or would you legally change your last name?

I imagine I would do that if I was in that situation. People that have done that probably feel liberated.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2008, 04:16:30 PM »

My ancestry is well documented in books ever since about the 600s so I know everything. Well at least from my Dad's side.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2008, 04:28:08 PM »

My ancestry is well documented in books ever since about the 600s so I know everything. Well at least from my Dad's side.

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2008, 06:08:21 PM »

Good point.

Question: Have you or would you legally change your last name?

I imagine I would do that if I was in that situation. People that have done that probably feel liberated.

Changing my last name would be problematic for many different reasons. First, what would I change my last name to that is reflective of my heritage? When Africans were enslaved there names where change by the person or persons that bought them, this could of happen several times during the course of a person's life time depending on how many times they where sold. With every passing generation any specific African culture was lost. This does not even take into account of any situations that might have take place in Africa dealing with Islam or other situations that resulted in any of my ancestors changing their last name. I not even sure if some cultures in African had last names to begin with.

Second, for all I know my last name is a legit name pass on at some point from a willing, on both sides, relationship between someone of European ancestry and African ancestry. Speaking in general it was not uncommon for formally enslaves males to take on the last name of the woman who they had a relationship with, if the woman was of European ancestry. In other cases some males, of European ancestry, gave their offspring their last names even if their mother was black.

To be specific to my family there has been mention that my last name is result of my great grandfather changing his last name because of him "getting in trouble."

Thus far I have run into 3 white people that have the same last name as I do. One being my high school principal, which she brought up that we might be related when me and father had meeting with her to discuss other matter. That was a uncomfortable moment when she said that because the first thing I thought of was her family probably owned one my ancestors.

The second time was at a former job when me and my two supervisors so happen to share the same last name. We never discussed it in a serious fashion and from my knowledge my two supervisors where not related as far they knew.

I have honestly have not consider changing my last name because for better or worse it is a name that keeps me connected to my family.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2008, 06:35:22 AM »

Interesting and logical perspective. I can respect that.
I was in the library recently with a friend of mine who I spent some time with in the genealogy/history department looking through genealogy records. We were able to find more information from what he already knew.

After thinking about this further, we can all say that our last name is forgotten.
Last names are not constant. They are just a little more so than first names.
Can we even say we have one and not two, three, etc.
Some women change theirs when they marry.
Some cultures probably don’t even use them.

There are name change kits.
Apparently it takes time and money to do this. It might be worth it for some people.
http://www.amazon.com/How-Change-Your-Name-California/dp/1413307493/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221699297&sr=8-4

If you keep your last name you can still be creative and do something new with your children’s name, have it be a combination of the parents names or something like it.

I am reminded of Sojourner Truth. I haven’t read much about her but I saw a play years ago where three actresses (April Grace, Angeles Echols, Sabah El-Amin) brought her story to life. She didn’t have very much resources to help her with the name change but she sure chose some name didn’t she. I wonder if her children took her last name?
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2008, 05:52:55 PM »

Rebelle, you are right about last names not being constant, especially in the United States as different people have change their last names in order to integrate into USA society and also as of no fault of their own ,as it seems, that it was common for names to be change for new immigrants because of custom officials who could not pronounce or spell new immigrants names correctly.

I don't think during Sojourner Truth had a hard time changing her name because of the era that she lived in, as the USA government had not set up a federal system of official record of names until recently, maybe some 80 years ago. In other words, if you wanted to change your name the only thing you had to do was to start referring to yourself under your new name. I say this because both my grandmothers had issues with their birth certificates. With my oldest grandmother basically not having one, with one having to be created on the sport for her, when the federal government starting issuing out social security numbers.

I forgot the exact quote from Sojourner Truth, but it was a good quote as to why she chose the name Sojourner Truth. Changing her name was way break from the enslavement of herself and her ancestors and act of breaking with the past.
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008, 02:56:38 AM »

In 1843, Sojourner told everyone that God told her to change her name from Isabella Van Wager to Sojourner Truth. She said He told her to pick this name because Sojourner means traveler and she traveled around spreading the truth about slavery. During the Civil War she sang and raised money for black soldiers.
http://www.mccsc.edu/~jcmslib/mlk/truth/freedom.htm
http://www.lkwdpl.org/wihohio/trut-soj.htm
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008, 08:30:14 PM »

i'm 19, and my name has been changed twice Undecided coz stupid white people cudnt accept the fact that my family name came in front of my main name
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2008, 10:33:40 PM »

i'm 19, and my name has been changed twice Undecided coz stupid white people cudnt accept the fact that my family name came in front of my main name
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2008, 10:17:22 AM »

It’s not just “stupid white people”. You won’t even recognize your name after what the Chinese, Japanese, Korean would do to it if you were to move to those countries. Your name could get Latinized, Americanized, etc.  Pretty much everyone can screw it up.
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Immortal technique is the stage name for which rapper Felipe Andres Coronel is popularly known. His lyrics characterized by its unique mixture of socialist commentary of social class hierarchy, religion, wealth, poverty to contemporary issues touching on governmental and institutional racism. Perhaps you may have come across information about this popular icon as you undertake research for that mba online, or for whatever course you are undertaking, be it bachelors in criminal justice, performing arts degree, governance systems, online nurse practitioner programs, history, or any other course for which you have to do online research.

The rapper was born on the 19th day of February 1978 in Lima, Peru. During the internal conflicts that took place in their country at the time, his parents migrated to Harlem, New York. Probably, in the process of migration to the country, they may have used boats at least once in the journey. Like many American teenagers, the rapper was engaged in various acts against the law that led to his arrest several times, which in one his public interviews admitted that they were selfish and at best childish acts. After completing his incarceration terms, he took up a political science course in a bid to mend his seemingly torn life, while living with his father.

After completing his studies, he was not lucky enough to secure a job in his field of study owing to the unemployment situation prevailing in the entire United States. Like many American fresh graduates who take up it jobs, nursing jobs, waiter and nursing jobs among many other common jobs that may not necessarily need a specialist, he took up a working in a restaurant to earn a buck from which he could live on.

Through his deep interest in championing for equality between the elite and the under privileged in society, and being not a Mesothelioma Lawyer, the rapper begun his music career basing his lyrics on such issues as injustice, exploitation and mistreatment of the poor. This is captured clearly in his desire to keep control over his production, since he strongly believes that in the music industry, the producers normally make a large profit while the artist for who credit belongs, normally end ups earning peanut amounts at the end of the day.

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