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« on: October 06, 2008, 09:54:50 PM »

A sequel to Zeitgeist just came out a couple days ago. It's pretty mind blowing I think. Here's a link to it. Check it out and share your thoughts.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2008, 12:40:32 AM »

there's another one??
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2008, 07:24:20 AM »

Yeah it's new. You have to check it out. At first it follows the formula of exposing the corrupt empire of power elite, but then it goes on to include some seriously radical suggestions for a total alteration of society. I want to hear what other people think about it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 07:51:36 PM »

Come on people! It's REALLY worth watching and I really want to hear some different opinions on it. There will be a LOT to say about it, I promise.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 11:08:19 PM »

As funny as the last one was, I will pass.
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2008, 11:26:24 PM »

Wow. I haven't been on here in a real long time. I never really got back into the IT forums after I-T.com went down years ago. But after I watched this film I immediately wanted to discuss some of the ideas in it and find out what other people think about it. I thought this would be the best place for me to hear some different opinions on some original and revolutionary ideas. Maybe I was wrong. You aren't even willing to watch it? You would rather not hear ideas you think you won't agree with than listen to them and then share your opinions on it. What about the last one was "funny"? Actually nevermind, it doesn't really matter. This is very different than the first one. It's like the third part of the first one expanded with the addition of some REALLY revolutionary suggestions for a complete alteration of society. You can disagree with them if you'd like (well you could if you were willing to listen to them), but there's definitely no denying that they are original and revolutionary ideas. Which makes them at least worth listening to in my book.
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2008, 11:47:08 PM »

Come on people! It's REALLY worth watching and I really want to hear some different opinions on it. There will be a LOT to say about it, I promise.

Give me a few days. I don’t have time to watch this right now.
I’ll be back to share my opinion.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2008, 01:27:14 PM »

Look at all those monies! I will just need your bank account information, sir.

I honestly tried to watch this because it started off a lot more practical than the first one, but kind of went the same route. What exactly is this revolutionary idea that you mentioned? I didn't get that far into it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2008, 01:42:23 PM »

Look at all those monies! I will just need your bank account information, sir.

The guy who presses and steams the monies has locked himself in the vault, all we need is your bank account details and sort code and we can get you the monies Tongue


What exactly is this revolutionary idea that you mentioned? I didn't get that far into it.

One of the ideas is boycotting the Bank of America.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2008, 01:51:20 PM »

<a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3AITl10lh2A" target="_blank">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3AITl10lh2A</a>
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2008, 01:58:24 PM »

Ok well I didn't want to give away the ending but if no one's even willing to watch the whole thing I guess I'll just throw it out there. I mean seriously, you should watch the whole thing. It is definitely worth watching. But since it looks like some people refuse to even try to watch it cause they didn't like the first one, and others don't have the patience to watch ALL of it, I might as well share the revolutionary idea, so that some discussion of it can potentially be had. It's called the Venus Project. It's basically a suggestion for a complete reconstruction of society under a resource-based economy as opposed to a monetary one. Here's some other information on it.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/resource_eco.htm

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Y363-gPX8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Y363-gPX8</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf1gZxmIDKw" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf1gZxmIDKw</a>
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2008, 02:16:53 PM »

The economy is resource based though. Money is just a rule. It's not like you can just keep on printing out money. That leads to inflation because it doesn't cover resources available. We see inflation, but it isn't ever ridiculously high. It's not like colonizers needed a monetary system to exploit or rape resources.

I like the designs, but arhcitecture is not going to stop wars. That is a little boy's dream. Going to find out some info on memory metal though.
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2008, 02:27:25 PM »

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A Resource-Based Economy is a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude. All resources become the common heritage of all of the inhabitants, not just a select few. The premise upon which this system is based is that the Earth is abundant with plentiful resource; our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival.

Sounds cool. People would have to give up many leisures and over consumption for that to work. And I don't know if the west is willing to do this. The western world would have to collapse before this happens. And just about every nation would have to be socialist too (or war will happen). I don't know how one plans to execute The Venus Project without getting conqured.

Edit: Also people would have to be willing to work (harvest resources, engineering, ect. )and get no more benefits than the next guy that isn't working. Idk if enough people will go for that.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2008, 02:39:30 PM »

The economy is resource based though. Money is just a rule. It's not like you can just keep on printing out money. That leads to inflation because it doesn't cover resources available. We see inflation, but it isn't ever ridiculously high. It's not like colonizers needed a monetary system to exploit or rape resources.

I like the designs, but arhcitecture is not going to stop wars. That is a little boy's dream. Going to find out some info on memory metal though.

There's a lot more to it than just architecture. And maybe when I described it as a resource-based economy rather than a monetary one, I wasn't specific enough. They are suggesting that this resource-based economy should be cooperative rather than competitive. I can tell you that colonizers sure as hell didn't exploit and rape resources by cooperating with the indigenous population and distributing the products of the resources equally amount everyone, including the natives.  That is the kind of system they are suggesting.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2008, 02:44:16 PM »

There's a lot more to it than just architecture.

What more is there? It just seems like a method of dealing with expanding populations. Sea colonization.
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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2008, 02:49:21 PM »

^Destroying ecosystems...
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2008, 02:54:51 PM »


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Sounds cool. People would have to give up many leisures and over consumption for that to work. And I don't know if the west is willing to do this. The western world would have to collapse before this happens. And just about every nation would have to be socialist too (or war will happen). I don't know how one plans to execute The Venus Project without getting conqured.

Edit: Also people would have to be willing to work (harvest resources, engineering, ect. )and get no more benefits than the next guy that isn't working. Idk if enough people will go for that.

If you watch the part of the zeitgeist movie that integrates the Venus Project you will get a better idea of it's true potential. They basically make the claim that through cooperation we can be more efficient than we can through competition, and this actually allow us ALL to have a higher standard of living. It's pretty complicated and requires a lot of explaining, so you'll get a better understanding of it by actually watching the film than by listening to me try to explain it. We would have to alter our consumption to be more efficient. They suggest that we are capable of relying solely on renewable and completely clean energy (solar, wind, hydro, and geothermal). They also suggest that most of the manual labor necessary can be done by machines. They want to give EVERYONE in the world a good education so that everyone can develop to their full potential and there will be vastly more people capable of creative innovations. AND these innovations will be used for the benefit of all of society, rather than a private owner who merely hired a good development team. I can't cover all the ideas of the venus project nearly as well as they can, so just watch the movie.
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2008, 02:59:00 PM »

What more is there? It just seems like a method of dealing with expanding populations. Sea colonization.

Have you checked out there web page? It's a complete reconstruction of the economic as well as social system. cooperation instead of competition. <<<that is the key aspect of the system they are proposing and it has NOTHING to do with architecture. They propose abolishing the concepts of money and debt, laws and prisons. And you don't see what more there is to it than architecture?
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2008, 03:06:27 PM »

The only way that would work is if private property, the state itself and capitalism were abolished. It sounds a lot like anarchist theories that have been around for well over 100 years. Not really a groundbreaking idea. In fact, I suggest you read Mutual Aid by Peter Kropotkin. It's much more elaborate than that guy who makes cool metallic buildings and shit.
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2008, 07:52:22 PM »

you guys never fail to make me lmao. i like they way you ended that victor.
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